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Subject: Re: Interesting sacrifice from correspondence game

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 14:11:59 03/03/00

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On March 03, 2000 at 14:02:48, Pete Galati wrote:

>On March 03, 2000 at 12:02:53, Ed Schröder wrote:
>
>>On March 03, 2000 at 06:33:59, Steve Lim wrote:
>>
>>>On March 03, 2000 at 00:20:35, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 03, 2000 at 00:19:03, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On March 02, 2000 at 19:12:55, Pete Galati wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On March 02, 2000 at 10:11:50, Shep wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Critical position:
>>>>>>>[D]r1b2rk1/1pq2pbp/p2pp1p1/4n3/2P1PBn1/2N5/PPBNQPPP/R2R2K1 b - - 0 14; bm Nxf2;
>>>>>>>id Shep 2000.01
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>14...Nxf2!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The results from the programs I tested (PIII-550):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Junior 6.0:       0:55, +0,35
>>>>>>>Deep Junior 6.0a: 0:59, +0,32
>>>>>>>Nimzo 7.32:       6:00, +0,40
>>>>>>>Hiarcs 7.32:      8:19, +0,06
>>>>>>>Fritz 6.0a:     >10:00
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>---
>>>>>>>Shep
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Keep in mind this is on my slow 90mhz machine, but I could not get Crafty to
>>>>>>find Nxf2 in analyze mode, so I fed it the move and annotated the game (cut
>>>>>>short at 14. ...Nxf2) and also below is the game log.
>>>>>
>>>>>On that machine, Crafty will probably take about 30 minutes to find Nxf2.  At
>>>>>least 15 minutes, anyway.  I saw that you only searched it for one minute - of
>>>>>course this will not be long enough.  Even on the PIII-550, J6 barely found it
>>>>>in under a minute.
>>>>
>>>>I missed something. You let it search for 15 minutes, but were only at depth 10.
>>>> Crafty takes to around ply 13-14 to find this.
>>>
>>>I asked Bob (hyatt) to check this out, apparently it doesn't like Nxf2 even at
>>>ply 15 on the xeons.
>>>
>>>Steve.
>>
>>I am not conviced Nxf2 is the best move in this position.
>>
>>Ed
>
>Probably not, but I think Nxf2 is a very human move to make, even though I
>wouldn't have conceived of the move myself.  What Jeremiah saw was me annotating
>the game for 15 minutes with Nxf2 inserted to be annotated, there were no
>restrictions on the depth that it searched, the restriction was being run on my
>computer.
>
>The reason I took that approach was that I had tried to get Crafty to find Nxf2
>when analyzing (not annotating), and I used twice as much hashtable as I
>normally do so that the hashtable size wouldn't bottom out the searches so
>often, and I had run it at 60mvs/120minutes, so it was running long, it wasn't
>finding Nxf2, I got tired of waiting.
>
>I was blaming it on my slow computer having trouble searching deeper, maybe
>that's not the case.
>
>Pete


A ran a deep search on the position after Nxf2 and thru 15 plies, crafty liked
white, although not by a lot.  The score for Nxf2 wasn't good, nor bad...
around +.2 to -.2 depending on the depth...  I suspect anyone that likes this
(electronic program) probably is doing so on positional grounds, not based on
a tactical slam.



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