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Subject: Re: Deep Junior at a loss in this position?!!

Author: Ernst Walet

Date: 09:16:20 03/05/00

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And this is the analysis of Shredder4.  Although it does not start with a king
move, it nevertheless gets the idea you´re are talking about.

Ernst.

10.01   0:01.76  +6.25   Kf2 Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 Qa5+ Kb8 Qc3 Ka8 Qc7 Ka7 (225.710)
128.2
10 ->   0:02.13  +6.25   Kf2 Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 Qa5+ Kb8 Qc3 Ka8 Qc7 Ka7 Qc5+ Kb8 Qe5+
Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 (284.561) 133.4
11.01   0:02.53  +6.25   Kf2 Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 Qa5+ Kb8 Qc3 Ka8 Qc7 Ka7 Qc5+ Kb8 Qe5+
Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 (346.601) 136.9
11 ->   0:03.00  +6.25   Kf2 Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 Qa5+ Kb8 Qc3 Ka8 Qc7 Ka7 Qc5+ Kb8 Qe5+
Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 (422.840) 140.6
12.01   0:03.99  +6.25   Kf2 Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 Qa5+ Kb8 Qc3 Ka8 Qc7 Ka7 Qc5+ Kb8 Qe5+
Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 (573.974) 143.6
12 ->   0:04.80  +6.25   Kf2 Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 Qa5+ Kb8 Qc3 Ka8 Qc7 Ka7 Qc5+ Kb8 Qe5+
Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 (704.778) 146.7
13.01   0:05.90  +6.25   Kf2 Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 Qa5+ Kb8 Qc3 Ka8 Qc7 Ka7 Qc5+ Kb8 Qe5+
Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 (884.698) 149.8
13 ->   0:06.75  +6.25   Kf2 Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 Qa5+ Kb8 Qc3 Ka8 Qc7 Ka7 Qc5+ Kb8 Qe5+
Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 (1.026.626) 151.9
14.01   0:09.58  +6.25   Kf2 Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 Qa5+ Kb8 Qc3 Ka8 Qc7 Ka7 Qc5+ Kb8 Qe5+
Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 (1.526.787) 159.2
14 ->   0:10.57  +6.25   Kf2 Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 Qa5+ Kb8 Qc3 Ka8 Qc7 Ka7 Qc5+ Kb8 Qe5+
Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 (1.691.915) 159.9
15.01   0:14.93  +6.25   Kf2 Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 Qa5+ Kb8 Qc3 Ka8 Qc7 Ka7 Qc5+ Kb8 Qe5+
Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 (2.387.494) 159.8
15 ->   0:16.90  +6.25   Kf2 Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 Qa5+ Kb8 Qc3 Ka8 Qc7 Ka7 Qc5+ Kb8 Qe5+
Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 (2.693.807) 159.3
16.01   0:21.39  +6.25   Kf2 Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 Qa5+ Kb8 Qc3 Ka8 Qc7 Ka7 Qc5+ Kb8 Qe5+
Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 (3.400.612) 158.9
16 ->   0:23.45  +6.25   Kf2 Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 Qa5+ Kb8 Qc3 Ka8 Qc7 Ka7 Qc5+ Kb8 Qe5+
Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 (3.699.764) 157.7
17.01   0:31.50  +6.25   Kf2 Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 Qa5+ Kb8 Qc3 Ka8 Qc7 Ka7 Qc5+ Kb8 Qe5+
Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 (4.999.652) 158.6
17 ->   0:33.75  +6.25   Kf2 Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 Qa5+ Kb8 Qc3 Ka8 Qc7 Ka7 Qc5+ Kb8 Qe5+
Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 (5.354.515) 158.6
18.01   0:48.98  +6.25   Kf2 Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 Qa5+ Kb8 Qc3 Ka8 Qc7 Ka7 Qc5+ Kb8 Qe5+
Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 (7.842.320) 160.1
18 ->   0:54.14  +6.25   Kf2 Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 Qa5+ Kb8 Qc3 Ka8 Qc7 Ka7 Qc5+ Kb8 Qe5+
Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 (8.617.418) 159.1
19.01   1:22.50  +6.25   Kf2 Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 Qa5+ Kb8 Qc3 Ka8 Qc7 Ka7 Qc5+ Kb8 Qe5+
Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 (13.542.353) 164.1
19 ->   1:29.58  +6.25   Kf2 Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 Qa5+ Kb8 Qc3 Ka8 Qc7 Ka7 Qc5+ Kb8 Qe5+
Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 (14.608.266) 163.0
20.01   5:44.56  +6.50++ Kf2 Ka7 Qc5+ Kb8 Kg3 Bc6 Kf4 Kb7 Ke5 Bd7 Kd6 Bh3 Qb5+
Ka7 Qb1 (61.052.337) 177.1
20.01   6:13.32  +6.57   Kf2 Ka7 Qb5 Kb8 Qc5 Ka8 Qb6 Kb8 Kg3 Ka8 Kf4 Bc8 Ke5 Bh3
Qd8+ Ka7 Qa5+ Kb7 Qc5 Bg4 Kd6 Ka6 (65.602.114) 175.7
20.04   6:25.64  +6.58++ Kh2 Ka7 Qd4+ Kb8 Qb6 Ka8 Kh3 Kb8 Kg3 Ka8 Kf4 Bc8 Ke5
Bh3 Qd8+ Ka7 Qa5+ Kb7 Qc5 Bg4 Kd6 Ka6 (67.550.180) 175.1
20.04   6:33.68  +6.93++ Kh2 Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 Qb6 Kb8 Kg3 Ka8 Kf4 Bc8 Ke5 Bh3 Qd8+
Ka7 Qa5+ Kb7 Qc5 Be6 (69.014.865) 175.3
20.04   6:36.87  +7.36   Kh2 Ka7 Qc7 Ka8 Qb6 Kb8 Kg3 Ka8 Kf4 Bc8 Ke5 Bh3 Qd8+
Ka7 Qa5+ Kb7 Qc5 Be6 (69.571.327) 175.2
20.07   6:42.03  +7.37++ Qc5 Kb8 Kf2 Ka8 Qb6 Kb8 Kg3 Ka8 Kf4 Bc8 Ke5 Bh3 Qd8+
Ka7 Qd4+ (70.363.482) 175.0
20.07   6:44.30  +7.72++ Qc5 Kb8 Kf2 Ba8 Qb6+ Bb7 Kg3 Kc8 Kf4 Bd5 Ke5 Bc4 Qc5+
Kb7 Kd6 Kb8 (70.747.288) 174.9
20.07   6:51.86  +8.95   Qc5 Kb8 Kf2 Ba8 Qb6+ Bb7 Kg3 Kc8 Kf4 Bd5 Ke5 Bc4 Qc5+
Kb7 Kd6 Kb8 (71.985.749) 174.7
20 ->   6:51.89  +8.95   Qc5 Kb8 Kf2 Ba8 Qb6+ Bb7 Kg3 Kc8 Kf4 Bd5 Ke5 Bc4 Qc5+
Kb7 Kd6 Kb8 (71.988.645) 174.7
21.01   6:54.44  +9.26++ Qc5 Be4 Kf2 Kb7 Kg3 Bc6 Kf4 Bd7 Ke5 Bc8 Kd6 Bh3 Qb5+
Ka8 Qb1 Bg4 Kc7 Be2 Kb6 Bc4 (72.428.144) 174.7
21.01   6:56.52  +9.76++ Qc5 Be4 Kf2 Kb7 Kg3 Ka6 Kh2 Bb7 Kg1 Bf3 Qc4+ Kb7 Qb4+
Ka8 Qa5+ Kb7 Qb5+ Kc8 Qb6 Be4 Qc5+ Kd8 Kf2 Bb7 Qd6+ Kc8 Kg1 Bf3 Qc5 (72.808.335)
174.8
21.01  17:05.36    +M20   Qc5 Kb8 Kf2 Ba8 Qb6+ Bb7 Kg3 Ka8 Kf4 Kb8 Ke5 Ka8 Qa5+
Kb8 Qc5 Bc8 Kd6 Ba6 Qb6+ Bb7 Qd4 Bc8 Qg7 Bb7 Kc5 Kc8 Kb6 Bc6 (187.062.139) 182.4
21 ->  38:12.27    +M20   Qc5 Kb8 Kf2 Ba8 Qb6+ Bb7 Kg3 Ka8 Kf4 Kb8 Ke5 Ka8 Qa5+
Kb8 Qc5 Bc8 Kd6 Ba6 Qd4 (425.130.096) 185.4
22.01  39:12.36    +M19   Qc5 Kb8 Kf2 Ba8 Kg3 Bb7 Kf4 Bc6 Ke5 (435.427.710)
185.1
22 ->  43:37.77    +M19   Qc5 Kb8 Kf2 Ba8 Kg3 Bb7 Kf4 Bc6 Ke5 (480.705.798)
183.6
23.01  44:23.84    +M16   Qc5 Kb8 Kf2 Ba8 Kg3 Bb7 Kf4 Bc6 Qb6+ Bb7 Ke5 Ka8 Kd6
Kb8 Qc5 Bf3 Qc7+ Ka8 Qb6 Be2 Qa5+ Kb7 Qb4+ Kc8 Qb6 (488.441.186) 183.3
23 ->  45:44.14    +M16   Qc5 Kb8 Kf2 Ba8 Kg3 Bb7 Kf4 Bc6 Qb6+ Bb7 Ke5 Ka8 Kd6
Kb8 Qc5 Bf3 (501.178.554) 182.6
24.01  46:48.17    +M15   Qc5 Kb8 Kf2 Ba8 Kg3 Bb7 Kf4 Bc6 Qb6+ Bb7 Ke5 Kc8 Kd6
Kb8 Kd7 g1Q Qxg1 (511.462.342) 182.1
24 ->  49:06.60    +M15   Qc5 Kb8 Kf2 Ba8 Kg3 Bb7 Kf4 Bc6 Qb6+ Bb7 Ke5 Kc8 Kd6
Kb8 Kd7 g1Q Qxg1 (534.188.545) 181.2
25.01  49:25.25    +M15   Qc5 Kb8 Kf2 Ba8 Kg3 Bb7 Kf4 Bc6 Qb6+ Bb7 Ke5 Kc8 Kd6
Kb8 Kd7 g1Q Qxg1 (537.154.673) 181.1
25 ->  52:15.69    +M15   Qc5 Kb8 Kf2 Ba8 Kg3 Bb7 Kf4 Bc6 Qb6+ Bb7 Ke5 Kc8 Kd6
Kb8 Kd7 g1Q Qxg1 (565.361.985) 180.2
26.01  52:43.01    +M15   Qc5 Kb8 Kf2 Ba8 Kg3 Bb7 Kf4 Bc6 Qb6+ Bb7 Ke5 Kc8 Kd6
Kb8 Kd7 g1Q Qxg1 (569.667.037) 180.1
26 ->  56:53.62    +M15   Qc5 Kb8 Kf2 Ba8 Kg3 Bb7 Kf4 Bc6 Qb6+ Bb7 Ke5 Kc8 Kd6
Kb8 Kd7 g1Q Qxg1 (611.892.916) 179.2
27.01  57:45.20    +M15   Qc5 Kb8 Kf2 Ba8 Kg3 Bb7 Kf4 Bc6 Qb6+ Bb7 Ke5 Kc8 Kd6
Kb8 Kd7 g1Q Qxg1 (620.623.879) 179.1
27 ->  64:51.09    +M15   Qc5 Kb8 Kf2 Ba8 Kg3 Bb7 Kf4 Bc6 Qb6+ Bb7 Ke5 Kc8 Kd6
Kb8 Kd7 g1Q Qxg1 (694.029.457) 178.3
28.01  66:16.45    +M15   Qc5 Kb8 Kf2 Ba8 Kg3 Bb7 Kf4 Bc6 Qb6+ Bb7 Ke5 Kc8 Kd6
Kb8 Kd7 g1Q Qxg1 (708.380.960) 178.1
28 ->  74:43.96    +M15   Qc5 Kb8 Kf2 Ba8 Kg3 Bb7 Kf4 Bc6 Qb6+ Bb7 Ke5 Kc8 Kd6
Kb8 Kd7 g1Q Qxg1 (794.403.640) 177.1
29.01  76:01.71    +M15   Qc5 Kb8 Kf2 Ba8 Kg3 Bb7 Kf4 Bc6 Qb6+ Bb7 Ke5 Kc8 Kd6
Kb8 Kd7 g1Q Qxg1 (807.387.489) 176.9
29 ->  87:50.86    +M15   Qc5 Kb8 Kf2 Ba8 Kg3 Bb7 Kf4 Bc6 Qb6+ Bb7 Ke5 Kc8 Kd6
Kb8 Kd7 g1Q Qxg1 (932.148.552) 176.8
best move: Qc4-c5 time: 87:50.867 min  n/s: 176.849  nodes: 932.148.552



On March 05, 2000 at 08:45:32, Ernst Walet wrote:

>Hi Djordje, this is what Fritz6a comes with after two hours of crunching.  I´m
>trying Shredder4 now to see if it still will play Kf2 (it plays it the first ten
>minutes) after about the same time, and what the evaluation will be then.
>
>Ernst.
>
>ps. I have 3 and 4 piece TBs installed.




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