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Subject: Re: handles of original engines

Author: Jason Williamson

Date: 16:08:10 03/20/00

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On March 20, 2000 at 06:08:22, James T. Walker wrote:

>On March 19, 2000 at 04:28:53, Steffen Jakob wrote:
>
>>Hi!
>>
>>Does anybody have an as complete as possible list of handles of original engines
>>which are playing at ICC? I think about allowing - at least temporary - only
>>orginal programs (and some selected clones like "Beadle") to play Hossa, because
>>I saw too many games against clones in the last weeks.
>>
>>Best wishes,
>>Steffen.
>
>Hello Steffen,
>I'm having trouble understanding why programmers on ICC want to limit who their
>programs play.  Crafty is complaining about playing too many Chess Tiger clones
>and Scrappy does not want to play computers except at long time controls(If I
>understand the formulas --It's possible I do not).  I know Bob wants to maximize
>his programs vs GM's but let's be honest, most GM's are easier to beat than
>programs like Fritz or Tiger or Junior.  Is it the rating points that drive
>everything on ICC?  Are the rating points so precious that programmers have to
>select who they play in order to maximize the points?  Is everything done on ICC
>to make your program "Look" stronger than it really is?  Why do the computer
>operators on ICC seem to take everything personal as if they have been violated
>when their programs lose?  Don't you learn more from a loss than from beating
>someone that blundered the game away?  Don't the losses show you more places to
>improve your program than the blunders by opponents?  Of course I'm not a
>programmer so I'm having trouble relating to the formulas and finger notes
>designed to limit who plays and how many games can be played.
>Jim Walker

Hello,

I don't understand why people don't understand why someone would want to put
restrictions on his account.  Lets face it, it HIS account.  He can set it up so
that his computer only plays green martians on fridays if he wants too.  Thats
his perogative.  Perhaps it doesn't give an accurate reflection of his program's
strength but again, thats his perogative.  Personally, I have of late been tired
of seening games between lots of Rebel Tiger clones and my bot (which is
currently a clone too).  If I choose to limit the computer to humans only, thats
my own choice.  Not yours, not anyone else.

Jason

PS, I hope counterplay lands up on your selected clone list (running either
LG2000 or Crafty (might try out amy)) Hossa :)...



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