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Subject: Re: a different take on this.

Author: Tom Kerrigan

Date: 08:21:33 03/24/00

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On March 24, 2000 at 10:48:04, KarinsDad wrote:

>On March 24, 2000 at 00:23:38, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>
>[snip]
>>
>>If you're talking about a situation that is not mate, i.e., positional
>>advantage, then I think problems like this are virtually unsolvable.
>
>Not so. This is a limitation of using one PV.
>
>>
>>My program will sometimes play e.g. Bd3 blocking its own pawn on d2. No matter
>>what kind of penalty I have for this situation, my program will invariably play
>>this stupid move. The reason is that it thinks it will move the bishop off of d3
>>later in the PV, so the penalty is never enacted. Very frustrating.
>>
>>-Tom
>
>Of course there is a solution, but it involves hanging onto older PVs.
>
>If a PV changes due to a different PV getting a better score, save off the old
>PV.
>
>If a PV changes due to it's own score dropping, do not save it.
>
>If a current line comes within a certain delta of the current best score, save
>it off.
>
>When you are about to make a move, instead of just taking the current best score
>PV first move, look through your list of old PVs as well. Carefully examine your
>main PV and any of the old PVs that have a score close to the main one (e.g.
>within -0.2). Since you may be searching say 24 positions per PV and have maybe
>5 or so PVs to search, this takes very little time. Have a list of "types of
>situations" which you consider "bad". Count the number of bad situations that
>show up in any of the positions within each PV and pick the PV that has the
>fewest bad situations with the highest score (i.e. if you main PV has the bad
>bishop and none of the other old PVs have any bad moves, pick a PV from the save
>list with the highest score, etc.).
>
>Theoretically, a -0.2 pawn is not going to cause any tactical problems, but
>examining your "main lines" after searching could enable you to avoid lines with
>tactically look ok, but play some stupid move that could hurt you way beyond the
>event horizion.
>
>The issue is not one of resolving these types of problems within the evaluation.
>If you do it that way, you either have to stop searching once you get to one of
>these situations or you have to live with it. The alternative is to search for
>this type of thing once your search engine is finished. I prefer the latter
>method.
>
>KarinsDad :)

Interesting idea. Do any programs actually do this?

-Tom



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