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Subject: Re: Match Junior 6a - Tiger 12e (40 in 2 hr, 20 in 1hr) completed...

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 20:27:17 03/27/00

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On March 27, 2000 at 23:24:04, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On March 27, 2000 at 11:27:54, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On March 27, 2000 at 09:08:59, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On March 26, 2000 at 11:45:38, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 25, 2000 at 23:13:49, Tina Long wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On March 25, 2000 at 14:28:13, James Robertson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On March 25, 2000 at 13:41:28, Roger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Would tablebases for Tiger have changed this result at all?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Roger
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Maybe a quarter of a point.... My experience with tablebases is that if the
>>>>>>program is moderately smart it doesn't benefit tremendously from them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James
>>>>>>
>>>>>Ed Schroder said about 6 months ago that Tablebases were worth about 10 points
>>>>>on the SSDF scale.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm 70% sure he said that! I'm 100% sure that Ed said once that something was
>>>>>worth very little rating points.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm glad I could add some real detail to this discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>>Tina Long
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>As far as I know, endgames are not Tiger's weak point.
>>>>
>>>>One thing I'm sure about: as far as playing strength is the subject, I have a
>>>>long list of ideas that, in my opinion, will give much more than tablebases.
>>>>
>>>>It does not matter if tablebases are easy to implement or not (they are not,
>>>>unless you want to do it the dirty way, and I won't), I don't see the point in
>>>>working on this before I fix more important things.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Christophe
>>>
>>>
>>>I am not wild about helping the competition, but you have one huge hold.  You
>>>don't know that KPB vs K is a draw if the wrong colored bishop is on the board.
>>>Ditto for KPPB vs K, assuming all P's are rook pawns.  I have seen Crafty draw
>>>lost endings when you let it swindle you into such an ending.    One ending
>>>was you had a king, and pawns on a and b file + wrong bishop.  Crafty had a pawn
>>>on the a file.  It pushed and you took with your b pawn rather than just pushing
>>>past it and winning...
>>>
>>>Consider that my tip of the year.  :)
>>>
>>>There are others.  But I also have them too.  :)
>>
>>
>>Well... Thanks Bob.
>>
>>I thought Tiger knew about KBP vs K, but I'll check again. Or maybe you noticed
>>this on an old version of Tiger.
>>
>>I admit I still have to cover some of the other cases. I'll probably do it, as I
>>prefer to have the knowledge than to rely on endgame databases. Tiger will
>>eventually have EGTB support, but I want to allow my users to not load them on
>>their hard disks. For many occasional players, it does not make sense to stuff
>>their disks with 1Gb of chess databases.
>>
>>
>>
>>    Christophe
>
>
>Note that it was KBPP vs K...  you had _two_ pawns on the a file...  that is
>usually what screws everyone up here except for us bitmappers, as the way I
>do the test will work the same with 1 or 6 pawns on the a file.  :)


as far as users adding 1 gig of stuff to their disks... you would _not_
believe the number of tablebase downloads I have seen from my ftp machine.
We maintain 50+ users, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, and
are running a 100mbit/second link out of that machine at an _average_ of
70 megabits/second averaged over the last year.

And there are a few mirror sites scattered around that I don't keep up with
either...

And the most requested thing I get is "can you put all those 7 gigs of files
(3-4-5 men endings) and put 'em on CDs for a reasonable fee?"




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