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Subject: Re: Perhaps a 20 move rule.

Author: blass uri

Date: 01:31:36 04/05/00

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On April 04, 2000 at 16:01:27, Roger wrote:

>On April 04, 2000 at 00:00:41, KarinsDad wrote:
>
>>It occurs to me that the example that Jeremiah gave us in that thread could
>>still result in a loss for the KNP side of KNNPKNP. For example (and I did not
>>check this with tablebases, I am making an illustration here and hopefully, I
>>set it up correctly):
>>
>>[D]8/n1PK3p/k6N/8/6N1/8/8/8 w - -
>>
>>Now, even though this may result in a mate for white after c8(Q)+, it may take
>>more than 50 moves to do it. However, the idea is that the knight at h6 could
>>blockade the pawn until about move 40 or so, then it could come attack the king,
>>then when the pawn is pushed, it could go back and blockade again for a moment.
>>The 50 move counter would be reset since the pawn was pushed and then the knight
>>could come back to attack the king again.
>>
>>Now, this probably does not work for this particular example. I just put it here
>>to illustrate the idea.
>>
>>But it seems to me that the BEST play would take into account the 50 move rule
>>COMBINED WITH the shortest mate, even if that takes longer due to reseting the
>>50 move rule counter.
>>
>>If there are examples of this occuring within the tablebases (and I do not know
>>that for a fact since I do not have them), it would appear that the tablebases
>>are in reality a good tool, but a partially flawed tool (since it would be
>>extremely difficult for a program to determine that it is time to attack the
>>king with the knight, and oops, it is time to head back and blockade the pawn
>>again).
>>
>>KarinsDad :)
>
>
>I would support a twenty move rule. If you can't accumulate enough of an
>advantage that you can't win under a twenty move rule, then my opinion is that
>the game should be judged a draw, and that it's your own fault for allowing such
>a position.
>
>This probably would not eliminate the situation described, but it could make
>them less frequent.
>
>That would also make tablebases smaller. Maybe much smaller. I would definitely
>be in favor of that :)
>
>Raj

Your rules will do chess a boring game and there will be more draws.

Uri



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