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Subject: Re: Now it's clear that Ritter Rost's post is not a fake

Author: Jason Williamson

Date: 10:06:58 04/11/00

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On April 10, 2000 at 09:37:28, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On April 10, 2000 at 02:35:10, Ed Schröder wrote:
>
>>On April 09, 2000 at 22:37:31, Pete Galati wrote:
>>
>>>On April 09, 2000 at 20:10:11, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 09, 2000 at 16:22:30, Bertil Eklund wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 09, 2000 at 15:52:39, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On April 08, 2000 at 20:09:38, Bertil Eklund wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On April 08, 2000 at 19:49:37, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Ritter Rost" happens to be two German words meaning "Knight Rust." I don't know
>>>>>>>>the significance of this, but I doubt it's a "real" name.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've sent him e-mail asking him to confirm the legality of his posts, and I've
>>>>>>>>posted below asking him to back up his (?) accusations with some evidence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Right now, I will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that the posts
>>>>>>>>are legal and that he can present such evidence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If the posts are actually illegal, I will delete the threads.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If the accusations aren't validated, I will ask that people stop posting to the
>>>>>>>>threads.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-Tom
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have no idea who this person are, but I'm very familiar with the e-mail, and I
>>>>>>>don't liked it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bertil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't understand: are you saying that the SSDF really received this email from
>>>>>>Ossi Weiner?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Christophe
>>>>>Hi!
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes I and Thoralf received it and we don't liked it.
>>>>>I guarantee that I or Thoralf Carlsson haven't published it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bertil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>OK, so the hypothesis that Ritter Rost's quote of Ossi Weiner is a fake is now
>>>>discarded.
>>>>
>>>>The email from Ossi is REAL.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Christophe
>>>
>>>But why is it circulating?  If Ritter Rost is not one of the people on the "CC
>>>to" list (is he?) then why is it circulating, and why would it belong here at
>>>CCC?  I didn't see any good explanation for why it was posted here.
>>>
>>>Pete
>>
>>The email in question was send to 20-30 people (including me) using CC.
>>The thing is real. I assume the email was forwarded multiple times finally
>>ending up here. I believe the group email was posted 3-4 weeks ago but I
>>can't check the exact date because I immediately put the thing in my trash
>>mailbox.
>>
>>Ed
>
>
>Let's hit two topics:
>
>(1) I believe the 'concept' presented in the email is ridiculous on the
>surface.  And I don't believe that they would have any legal grounds for
>action if someone posts results between a program they bought (IE Shredder)
>and another program.  Certainly I would feel totally free, here in the USA,
>to post such results under the freedom of speech guarantee of our constitution.
>If the SSDF wants to sent me their results and have me make them public, I
>am willing to do so.
>
>(2) I think the idea of posting private email here is equally ridiculous as it
>violates everything net-wise we have been doing for many years.  It is a no-no
>to do so.  And in fact, it violates international copyright laws, as even
>private email is subject to copyright law unless the author specifically gives
>up that right in the email in question.  (ie if he had said, "post this
>wherever you see fit, you have my permission.")
>
>This "hiding behind a rock" mentality is no good.  If the SSDF testing is
>flawed, or if someone is cheating with the autoplayer code, then _that_ is the
>thing that should be exposed, rather than hiding behind a rock and pretending
>that nothing is happening...
>
>Auto232 is a piece of trash anyway, and should not be relied on to provide
>any meaningful data, because the chess engines can do so many things to corrupt
>the results.  Time to move on to something better that uses TCP/IP, and an
>O/S that doesn't let two programs corrupt each other's memory, if the results
>are to be believed.  TSRs belong in the trash heap today.  In the world of
>windows, winboard would make a good way to do this testing, if everyone would
>junk auto232 and use the winboard protocol.  Then there is _no_ way that one
>engine can influence the other, since winboard will run a match with one engine
>on one processor, the other on a different processor...
>
>Then you win or lose based on your program's skill, not some piece of trash
>interface that is open to manipulation...  These misbehaving rumors have been
>around long enough that it is time to put 'em in the trash heap along with
>the interface protocol that allows them to happen...

Here,here.  Of course, god help the various chess servers if CB and other chess
program companies have wiboard connectivity.



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