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Subject: Re: Now it's clear that Ritter Rost's post is not a fake

Author: Tom Kerrigan

Date: 10:05:39 04/12/00

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On April 12, 2000 at 07:10:12, Dan Ellwein wrote:

>On April 11, 2000 at 23:05:59, Mogens Larsen wrote:
>
>>On April 11, 2000 at 22:09:06, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>It is easy to answer:  (a) I was a moderator for an extended period of time.  It
>>>was time-consuming to handle the complaints;  (b) I handle about 100 emails per
>>>day now, that takes a lot of time;  (c) by the time _I_ read the post, you had
>>>already read it and responded to it.  I assumed a little bit of knowledge about
>>>email privacy on your part and didn't give it much more thought.  I haven't
>>>_ever_ (to my best recollection) asked a moderator to remove _any_ posting here.
>>>They were elected and I choose to let them exercise their authority as they see
>>>fit.  Someone complained about the email posting.  I responded "a moderator was
>>>asleep at the switch".  End of story for me.  If you had said I was asleep at
>>>the switch when I read the question about parallel search as a question about
>>>parallel algorithms in general, you would have been right.  Just as I was right
>>>in this case...
>>>
>>>There is _no_ case where email is allowable, _except_ when the author gives
>>>direct permission or posts it himself.  I disagree with Bertil in that email
>>>from a company is just as subject to international copyright laws as is an
>>>email from an individual, _if_ the email was not directed to some public
>>>facility like mail-to-news or some such thing.  It was obvious it was directed
>>>toward the SSDF and not to the general public.  Publishing it here violated
>>>copyright law, common courtesy, and usenet nettiquette.  Any one of those
>>>should be enough to get it kicked out summarily...
>>>
>>>Perhaps you have learned that posting private email is a no-no. Perhaps you
>>>haven't.  In any case, it is still wrong to do, and wrong to allow it to
>>>stand in a public location without permission of the author.  As I would assume
>>>that had he wanted it here, he would have posted it here himself.  And since
>>>he didn't, he didn't want it public.
>>>
>>>How complicated can that be?
>>
>>I agree with most of what Dr. Hyatt is saying. You just don't publish private
>>e-mails, no matter who you believe sent it. I percieved it as being just that,
>>which is why it should have been removed automatically. There is no shame in
>>being wrong. I would advise the moderator(s) to acknowledge the mistake and move
>>on.
>>
>>Best wishes...
>
>
>good point... Mogens...
>
>when you are young it is sometimes hard to admit a mistake...
>
>when ya get a little older, it's not really a_big_deal any-more...
>
>:)
>
>pilgrimdan

Actually, guys, the moderators (not me specifically) have deleted the posts,
admitted that a mistake was made, and apologized publicly.

The reason I'm still having this "discussion" with Hyatt is because he's accused
us of being asleep at the wheel, when in truth, we're doing the best we know
how.

-Tom



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