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Subject: Re: WMCCC 2000

Author: Will Singleton

Date: 22:41:01 04/19/00

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On April 20, 2000 at 00:41:22, Jeremiah Penery wrote:

>On April 19, 2000 at 18:44:39, Mogens Larsen wrote:
>
>>On April 19, 2000 at 16:51:34, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>
>>>According to that page, computers will be competing in several other games,
>>>including Backgammon, Othello, and Awari.  To my knowledge these three games
>>>(and possibly some of the other ones) have been completely solved by computers.
>>>So what's the point of having a competition for them?
>>
>>I'm pretty sure Backgammon hasn't been solved. Difficult with the random element
>>of dice I think. I have a backgammon program I can beat, unless it cheats with
>>the dice off coure ;o).
>
>I decided to look it up, and of course you're right.  None of these games has
>been solved.  I'm not sure where I think I read that before. :/

Would be quite a trick to solve backgammon, considering that dice are involved.
:)  I believe, having some limited experience, that you can't really minimax,
due to the dice.  Most progs use TD learning, which involves playing huge
numbers of games over a long time to generate the probabilities in a given
situation.  So in a game, the pre-computed probabilities are used, with either
no search or perhaps a two-ply deal (except for bear-off situations, in which
some special strategy is employed).  So matches between computers can usually be
played in seconds.

Will




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