Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 13:18:16 10/13/97
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>On October 12, 1997 at 19:48:32, Fernando Villegas wrote: > On October 13, 1997 at 11:51:17, Thorsten Czub wrote: 1000 AMERICAN dollar for pro's and 10 times less for the rest is communism. Just like: so you have earned some money: give it to someone else. These kind of fees are something strange from the past. 1000 dollar is a lot. In Netherlands you must work a month for that. Programmers nowadays even longer. You just play 11 games for it. That's almost 10 bugs a game. A usual entry fee in Netherlands for tournament where you play other people is: 20 to 25 dollar (40-50 dutch guilders). If you score well then you even get money back: about 1000 dollar for the grandmaster who becomes first, and the rest of the prize money strong players can win. Even if you make a really big lot of money out of chessprograms, which probably only ChessBase/Chessmaster/Tasc do, then still it is not fair to ask more from them. Tax in Netherlands are already 42%. Another 17.5% extra tax (VAT you call it in USA?) goes directly to the government. Try to save 1000$ from that! Of course things would change if you get about 5000 dollar or more from the ICCA when you get first with the pro's. Haven't so far heard anything from that! Don't tell us that you can make money because you won that title. That is not true at all. In the past it probably WAS perhaps so important. Nowadays you can only make money when a big company makes a lot of advertisement for you. >>I am really amazed reading the post where ICCA executives are almost >>accused of some kind of plot and/or trying to sell people to third >>parties and/or trying to become rich just exploiting poor programmers , >>and all this agressive noise just because they ask 1000 bucks to those >>commercial programmers that want to be part of the party in Paris. > >You seem to misunderstand the reason for the critics. >The critics was not exactly that 1000$ barrier, but the way the ICCA >differenciates between amateurs, professionals, and in between. >Also for somebody having not much money, for whatever reason, 1000 $ are >too much. >Why not helping this guy ? Isn't it senseful to have a strong tournament >with good programs. >I think in human chess the tournament-sponsor has to pay the players >(karpov, Kasparov) that they come anyway. > > > >>Is 1000 bucks so much money? >>So badly goes things in this industry that commercial programmers -that >>sell each of his products at 150 dollars- cannot pay $1000? > > >Right. You seem to have not much ideas about HOW MUCH MONEY goes in the >end to the programmer. >From the 100 $ product 25 $ goes (MAYBE !!) to the programmer. > >> What I see here is that all the time there are many reasons for some >>poeple for not going. Once is a political reason: Jakarta was not >>adequate because of the people that rules that country. > >Right. This is seen accurate ! > >>Then the >>tournament is not fair because some people in the ICCA does not gives >>the due salutations and reverences to this or that guy; now is money, >>because, as anybody can see, with 1000 bucks in the pocket this people >>could fly to Monaco and expend a week with an army of girls. >>What's next? > >Right. Thats a question we all ask ourselves: what is the next thing the >ICCA plans to disqualify people ? > >>I don't believe 1000 is too much money to get the chance to get a good >>position and then to use it as advertising. Even if you cannoit get the >>first prize, you always can say that your program got a point against >>this or that other program, as Chris has made once with CST and Genius. >>Or that your program got the fastest winning. Or that your program was >>the best, provided his slow hardaware. Or that you won the prettiest >>game of the tournament. Or this or that. I don't know any program that >>ever has been in a tournament that has not got specious reasons to >>proclaim that very same tournament as a wonderful motive to buy it. >>So, if this kind of tournament becomes, as ever, a good launching >>platform for almost any guy that goes there -like in movies festivals >>theses days-, it seems to me that paying 1000 cannot be reasonnably >>considered as abusive. After all, we are talking of COMMERCIAL guys, not >>amateurs, not poor genuses, not deprived people. > >Commercial guys ! aha. Like Stefan-Mayer Kahlen, Mark Uniacke, Chris >Whittington ? > >Chris has not released any version since anno domini 199x whatever... >Mark has a full time job in a non-computerchess business >Stefan is also not the BIG commercial guy you would expect. > >> Maybe what some people want is that ICCA does not organize nothing at >>all. > >They could organize it with more feeling for the belongings of the >participants.
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