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Subject: Re: Crafty and draw by repetition ?!

Author: Jason Williamson

Date: 23:20:50 04/21/00

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On April 21, 2000 at 18:42:08, pete wrote:

>On April 21, 2000 at 17:46:46, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 21, 2000 at 16:32:21, pete wrote:
>>
>>>Game : Crafty17.10 (winboard)- Junior6 on 2 computers ( rest really irrelevant
>>>); crafty played with the "official" book.bin .
>>>
>>>1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 0-0 9.h3
>>>Bb7 10.d4 Re8 11.Ng5 Rf8 12.Nf3 Re8 13.Ng5 Rf8 14.Nf3
>>>
>>>Here crafty claimed draw by repetition !?
>>
>>This looks reasonable to me.  After white moves Nf3, the position is the same
>>as it was after moves 10 and 12.  Nf3 is the third repetition of that position.
>>
>
>I understand : but this is not the rule as I know it : you can't claim a
>position has appeared 3 times ; you can only say that with your following move
>you can reach a position that was already there in the game for the 3rd time :
>this is a slight but significant difference : so crafty can't claim draw here
>whereas Junior could say ( after 14. Nf3 )  : " I intend Re8 and claim draw !"
>
>I am not 100% sure but as having played tournament games for about 20 years now
>I am at least _quite_ sure .
>
>I don't have a link to FIDE rules so either way I will learn something :-)

Nf3 is the 3rd repetiion though.  The position with the N on f3 and the pawn on
d4 is repeated a 3rd time by the act of making the move Nf3.  The rules of chess
allow crafty to claim a draw due to that.

Jason




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