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Subject: Re: Crafty and draw by repetition ?!

Author: Laurence Chen

Date: 08:27:47 04/22/00

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On April 21, 2000 at 21:35:42, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On April 21, 2000 at 18:42:08, pete wrote:
>
>>On April 21, 2000 at 17:46:46, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On April 21, 2000 at 16:32:21, pete wrote:
>>>
>>>>Game : Crafty17.10 (winboard)- Junior6 on 2 computers ( rest really irrelevant
>>>>); crafty played with the "official" book.bin .
>>>>
>>>>1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 0-0 9.h3
>>>>Bb7 10.d4 Re8 11.Ng5 Rf8 12.Nf3 Re8 13.Ng5 Rf8 14.Nf3
>>>>
>>>>Here crafty claimed draw by repetition !?
>>>
>>>This looks reasonable to me.  After white moves Nf3, the position is the same
>>>as it was after moves 10 and 12.  Nf3 is the third repetition of that position.
>>>
>>
>>I understand : but this is not the rule as I know it : you can't claim a
>>position has appeared 3 times ; you can only say that with your following move
>>you can reach a position that was already there in the game for the 3rd time :
>>this is a slight but significant difference : so crafty can't claim draw here
>>whereas Junior could say ( after 14. Nf3 )  : " I intend Re8 and claim draw !"
>>
>>I am not 100% sure but as having played tournament games for about 20 years now
>>I am at least _quite_ sure .
>>
>>I don't have a link to FIDE rules so either way I will learn something :-)
>
>
>That is incorrect.  You play your move.  You tell your opponent that you claim
>a draw by repetition.  You don't press the clock.  You can call the TD over if
>you want.  But you definitely can claim a draw _after_ you move your piece, and
>_before_ you press the clock.   If you press the clock first, then you can not
>claim the draw...
>
>If you look at the position after move 10, after move 12, and after move 14,
>the _same_ position is found each time.  That is a classic three-fold
>repetition...
Good point!!!



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