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Subject: Re: Crafty 17.10 not that strong

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:27:28 04/23/00

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On April 23, 2000 at 04:01:13, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On April 22, 2000 at 19:15:20, Pete Galati wrote:
>
>>On April 22, 2000 at 18:27:14, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On April 22, 2000 at 14:46:28, Pete Galati wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 22, 2000 at 15:02:19, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 22, 2000 at 14:49:59, Pete Galati wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On April 22, 2000 at 14:20:57, A.L.Mourik wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hello dear CCC friends,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Although earlier reports from e.g. Jouni Uski, suggest an enormous increase in
>>>>>>>strenght for Crafty 17.10
>>>>>>>Nuun 2 match result Fritz6 against Crafty  17.10 ends in a very clear
>>>>>>>29,5-10,5!! victory for Fritz6.
>>>>>>>Played on PII 400 8mb for HT, Timecontrol 5 min + 3 sec per move.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There isn't generally an enormous increase in strength from version to version
>>>>>>of any program, that's unrealistic to expect there to be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Your time controls are a bit short there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Pete
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Why didn't you say or ask that of Jouni when he posted?
>>>>>as all he said was blitz, that may even have been faster
>>>>>than this.
>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>Sorry, I don't read all posts, this one caught my eye because it was at the top
>>>>of the board.
>>>>
>>>>If Jouni played some games this fast or faster, then my opinion would be the
>>>>same, it's too fast.  That isn't to say that I have not run games at that speed,
>>>>I have, and they were too fast to judge the strength of a program.
>>>>
>>>>Pete
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Why?
>>>
>>>Can you please explain why?
>>>
>>>You must certainly have some evidence?
>>>
>>>
>>>    Christophe
>>
>>Why?  Why what?  Your question is far too vague.
>>
>>Pete
>
>
>
>Why is it too fast to judge the strength of a program?
>
>Give your evidence.
>
>
>
>    Christophe


One simple answer. Take the top 4 programs on the SSDF and play a very long
round-robin event, but at blitz time controls.  (IE every program plays every
other program 100 times).  Do you think the order will be the same as the SSDF
list for standard time controls?

I don't.  I am certain of it.



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