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Subject: Disappointment:results/comments/+naive conclusions on Bf8!please comment

Author: Mark Andreoli

Date: 07:52:19 05/10/00



      I would like to _thank everyone_ for helping me try to solve the mystery
of why a lot of engines i.e. Fritz and Hiarcs etc. didn't find the _BEST_ move
Bf8.
( posted yesterday)

      Here are some _not all_ of the results:

  1. Ed Schroder found it on Rebel using an athlon 1000Mhz/EPD2DIAG?in 1:31
  Q. Congratulations and What is an "EPD2DIAG"?

  2.His Century and Century cd rom version also had success!

  3. John Stanback found the move in 9 ply on Zarkov "by luck?"using one extra
     ply in the capture/critical line!?

  4. Dan Corbit had a nice conclusion that said "Bf8 was the GM move."
   Q. I hope you test other programs and let me know the results! Thanks

  5. Enrique Irazoqui found that F6a,Tiger and Nimzo 7.32 will find the move
   after more then 10 minutes! more success!

  6.Blass Uri states that Chessmaster will find it! although I am still a little
    confused (although not totally)on _null moves_!

  7. I read __all__ the comments posted by everyone and all answers seem to be
legitimate and in great detail! my compliments


    BUT HERE GOES: I NEED SOME _FEEDBACK_ON A FEW _NAIVE CONCLUSIONS_!? THANKS

   1.I have heard time after time that "there is only one best move in any given
position"(It makes sense /the one that wins the fastest) . In this case most of
us agreed it was 19.Bf8! Ok my question is why
didn't My Fritz 5 ,6 or Hiarcs find this move especially given the fact that F6
is in the top 5 on the SSDF list?Are they weak analyzers?

  2.How can it be that the above mentioned engines (F5/6/Hiarcs)manage to "Kick
Butt" time and time again on other engines who found Bf8 but _they_ were unable
to find it? So What engine is _really _ the strongest?

  3. Given the fact that I do play a lot of tournament chess what _computer
chess program_ (Will the truly best analyzing engine please _stand up_!) do I
have to buy now to get a "second opinion" on my game positions. I still can't
express how disappointed I am  in F5/F6 and Hiarcs for not finding 19.Bf8!
(remember Nenad Aleksic found it in only about 20 seconds over the board!)

  Thanks MJA //Comments will be greatly appreciated!!!




















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