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Subject: The details of a psychowar (DB team vs Kasparov in the NY Times)

Author: Hans Gerber

Date: 03:16:13 05/12/00

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On May 11, 2000 at 22:13:49, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On May 11, 2000 at 19:33:42, Hans Gerber wrote:
>
>>On May 11, 2000 at 11:23:49, Albert Silver wrote:
>>
>>>On May 11, 2000 at 09:56:31, Hans Gerber wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 11, 2000 at 09:05:45, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 11, 2000 at 08:50:42, Hans Gerber wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>What is the actual adress for a webpage with the data after game two in 1997? I
>>>>>>must refresh my memory. Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I dont remember the precise URL.  Go to www.ibm.com, the look for the
>>>>>'deep blue' link.  that will get you to the right place.  You will find
>>>>>a complete set of game logs for game 1 thru game 6.  If you can't find them,
>>>>>let me know and I can email them to you.  I have them all here on my machine.
>>>>
>>>>Yes I found it on the IBM page. But what I had been searching for wasn't there.
>>>>The transcript of the press conference after game two. You have said that
>>>>Kasparov made his remark about cheating right after game _two_, and in public. I
>>>>wanted to read that one. Also in the live commentary scripts of game two and
>>>>three I can't find a reference to the facts of your statement. Could we find a
>>>>clarification for that question? If it had happened like this, wouldn't it be
>>>>discussed in the live commentaries?
>>>
>>>Possibly. The live commentators were being paid by IBM, and IBM might easily
>>>have asked them to avoid touching on this subject. I found a reference in the NY
>>>Times piece after game 3 though:
>>>http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/050797weber.html
>>>
>>>                                        Albert Silver
>>
>>I read that right now. But from that article you can't conclude that K. had
>>talked about "cheating" on a press conference after game two (as R. Hyatt said).
>>I tried to refresh my memory but I couldn't find any data yet. Is it true that
>>there was a press conference after game two at all?
>
>
>Yes, there was a meeting after each round.  I am not sure Kasparov attended
>them all.  But after each round, the players and press met in the media center.
>I wasn't there personally, so I can't say who attended which meetings, and I
>don't plan on bugging Hsu to ask for recollections about what happened.
>
>Clearly by round 3 he suggested something was wrong.  Little doubt about how
>to interpret the comment Albert gave you a link to.  A direct accusation...

Two aspects: 1) the exact moment of his question and of the denial of the
prints, 2) the difference between events in reality and the reality of articles
in newspapers about "events". Let us analyse before we make our conclusions.

You hypostated a direct connection between his _public_ question (which in
itself is accusation and insult in your view) and the (therefore justified)
_reaction_ of the DB team and IBM. Up to this moment I don't have any proof that
Kasparov made any (public) accusations after game two.

The article by B. Weber allows the ref went into the public with Kasparov's
request. Thus the request was stamped as impolite and based on a kind of
confusion. But _if_ it was made in discretion and in the belief of friendly
terms of talking? At the time of this newspaper's article, the request was not
even known in public. So, the article documented a turning point, initiated by
the DB team and IBM, in person of M. Campell, the second man behind Hsu. Perhaps
you are right that the later official statement was given by Tan, but in this
article there is a clear presence of the DB team to be seen...





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