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Subject: Re: a test position for chess programs(tactics but not sacrifice)

Author: John Merlino

Date: 15:30:19 05/12/00

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On May 12, 2000 at 16:21:01, blass uri wrote:

>[D]1r3nk1/3rb1p1/p2p1pP1/1p2p3/Pnq1P1R1/2N1B3/1PPR3P/2NQ3K w - - 0 1
>
>This position is from the ssdf games(Junior5-Junior6).
>The evaluation was close to equality and suddenly Junior5 failed high and found
>more than 1 pawn advantage for white.
>
>I post this position to demonstrate the fact that tactics is not only
>sacrifices.
>
>Unfortunately tactical test positions are usually sacrifices.
>
>I am also not sure if there is only one good move for white.
>White played in the game Rg2.
>This is a good move with the idea to give mate by Rh4 and Qh5 but I am not sure
>if this is the only good move and it is possible that axb5 and after it Rg2 also
>give the same result(I did not check it)
>
>The point is not to find Rg2 but to find a significant change in the evaluation.
>
>How much do programs need to fail high?
>
>I think it is a good idea to generate a tactical test suite based on positions
>from practical games and not based on finding sacrifices.
>
>In order to do it we need to analyze many games and find cases when there is a
>significant change in the evaluation.
>
>
>Uri

Wow! That was a tough one....

Chessmaster 7000 on a PII-450 saw 1.axb5 from the start, and for over an hour it
never changed. Starting at about 30 minutes, it was thinking for quite a long
time about Rdg2, and it finally switched to Rdg2 after 1:06:23

The result, at depth 5/11 after about 1:06:00....

1.Rdg2 d5 2.exd5 Rxd5 3.Qf3 Rd4 4.Bxd4 exd4 5.axb5 axb5 6.Rh4
with a score of 1.30 for White.

The score for 1.axb5 at the same depth was 0.71 for White.

jm



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