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Subject: Re: a test position for chess programs(tactics but not sacrifice)

Author: Ernst Walet

Date: 00:01:15 05/13/00

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On May 12, 2000 at 16:21:01, blass uri wrote:

>[D]1r3nk1/3rb1p1/p2p1pP1/1p2p3/Pnq1P1R1/2N1B3/1PPR3P/2NQ3K w - - 0 1
>
>This position is from the ssdf games(Junior5-Junior6).
>The evaluation was close to equality and suddenly Junior5 failed high and found
>more than 1 pawn advantage for white.
>
>I post this position to demonstrate the fact that tactics is not only
>sacrifices.
>
>Unfortunately tactical test positions are usually sacrifices.
>
>I am also not sure if there is only one good move for white.
>White played in the game Rg2.
>This is a good move with the idea to give mate by Rh4 and Qh5 but I am not sure
>if this is the only good move and it is possible that axb5 and after it Rg2 also
>give the same result(I did not check it)
>
>The point is not to find Rg2 but to find a significant change in the evaluation.
>
>How much do programs need to fail high?
>
>I think it is a good idea to generate a tactical test suite based on positions
>from practical games and not based on finding sacrifices.
>
>In order to do it we need to analyze many games and find cases when there is a
>significant change in the evaluation.
>
>
>Uri

This is what Fritz6a does on my PIII-450 with 128MB hash.  It needs 5:34 to fail
high and 10:32 to resolve it.

New position
1r3nk1/3rb1p1/p2p1pP1/1p2p3/Pnq1P1R1/2N1B3/1PPR3P/2NQ3K w - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 6:

1.axb5 axb5 2.Kg2 Ra8 3.Nd5 Nxd5 4.Rxd5
  ²  (0.53)   Depth: 4/13   00:00:00  2kN
1.axb5 axb5 2.Kg2 Ra8 3.Nd5 Nxd5 4.Rxd5
  ²  (0.53)   Depth: 4/13   00:00:00  2kN
1.axb5 axb5 2.Kg2 Ra8 3.Nd5 Nxd5 4.Rxd5
  ²  (0.53)   Depth: 4/13   00:00:00  2kN
1.axb5 axb5 2.Kg2 Ra8 3.Nd5 Nxd5 4.Rxd5
  ²  (0.53)   Depth: 4/13   00:00:00  2kN
1.axb5 axb5 2.Kg2 Ra8 3.Nd5 Nxd5 4.Rxd5
  ²  (0.53)   Depth: 4/13   00:00:00  2kN
1.axb5 axb5 2.Kg2 Ra8 3.Nd5 Nxd5 4.Rxd5
  ²  (0.53)   Depth: 4/13   00:00:00  2kN
1.axb5 axb5 2.Kg2 Ra8 3.Nd5 Nxd5 4.Rxd5
  ²  (0.53)   Depth: 4/13   00:00:00  2kN
1.axb5 axb5 2.Nd5 Nxd5 3.exd5 e4 4.Rf2
  ²  (0.59)   Depth: 5/20   00:00:00  14kN
1.axb5 axb5 2.Kg2 Ne6 3.Nb3 Ra8 4.Nd5 Nxd5 5.Rxd5
  ²  (0.53)   Depth: 6/18   00:00:00  32kN
1.axb5 axb5 2.Nd5 Nxd5 3.exd5 Qc7 4.Rf2 Re8 5.Qf3
  ²  (0.53)   Depth: 7/23   00:00:00  118kN
1.axb5 axb5 2.Nd5 Nxd5 3.exd5 Qc7 4.Rf2 Ra8 5.Qe2 Ra5
  ²  (0.56)   Depth: 8/24   00:00:01  256kN
1.axb5 axb5 2.Nd3 Bd8 3.Rf2 Ne6
  ²  (0.59)   Depth: 9/27   00:00:03  875kN
1.axb5 axb5 2.Nd3 Bd8 3.Nxb4 Qxb4 4.Qb1 Qc4 5.Nd5 Ra8
  ²  (0.63)   Depth: 10/28   00:00:06  1995kN
1.axb5 axb5 2.Rf2 Bd8 3.Nd3
  ²  (0.66)   Depth: 11/33   00:00:18  5812kN
1.axb5 axb5 2.Nd3 Bd8 3.Nxb4 Qxb4 4.Rd3 Qxb2 5.Rxd6 Rxd6
  ²  (0.59)   Depth: 12/34   00:01:09  22312kN
1.axb5 axb5 2.Nd3 Na2 3.Nd5 f5 4.Nxe7+ Rxe7 5.exf5 Qc6+
  ²  (0.56)   Depth: 13/36   00:03:08  61747kN
1.Rdg2
  ²  (0.59)   Depth: 13/40   00:05:34  111448kN
1.Rdg2 bxa4 2.Rh4 f5 3.Rh3 Nxg6 4.Rxg6 Nxc2 5.Nd3 Nxe3
  ±  (1.16)   Depth: 13/40   00:10:32  210385kN



Shredder4 needs more time, 15:23 to fail high and 45:12 to resolve it.
(PIII-450, 96+32 MB hash)

 6 ->   0:00.96  +0.27   axb5 axb5 Qf3 Nc6 Qf5 Rdd8 Rh4 (77.231) 80.4
 7.01   0:02.87  +0.18   axb5 axb5 Qe2 Ne6 Qg2 Nd4 Bxd4 exd4 Nd1 (235.185) 81.8
 7.04   0:04.40  +0.19++ Kg1 bxa4 Nxa4 Rdd8 c3 f5 exf5 Nd7 (341.423) 77.5
 7.04   0:04.51  +0.19   Kg1 bxa4 Nxa4 Rdb7 Rd4 exd4 Qe2 Qxe2 (351.391) 77.8
 7 ->   0:05.97  +0.19   Kg1 bxa4 Nxa4 Rdb7 Rd4 exd4 Qe2 Qxe2 (479.564) 80.3
 8.01   0:07.35  +0.15   Kg1 bxa4 Nxa4 Rdb7 c3 Nc6 b3 Qb5 Rd5 (609.705) 82.8
 8.02   0:08.41  +0.16++ axb5 axb5 Kg1 Ne6 Qf3 Nd4 Qg2 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Bxd4 Nxc3
bxc3 Rxd4 cxd4 Qxd4+ Rgxd4 (710.877) 84.4
 8.02   0:13.82  +0.24   axb5 axb5 Rf2 Rdd8 N1e2 Nc6 Rxf6 Bxf6 Qd5+ Qxd5
(1.189.428) 86.0
 8 ->   0:15.62  +0.24   axb5 axb5 Rf2 Rdd8 N1e2 Nc6 Rxf6 Bxf6 Qd5+ Qxd5
(1.367.997) 87.5
 9.01   0:31.56  +0.37   axb5 axb5 Nd3 Ra8 Nxb4 Qxb4 Rf2 Qc4 Qf1 Rb7 Qh3
(2.776.481) 87.9
 9 ->   0:35.80  +0.37   axb5 axb5 Nd3 Ra8 Nxb4 Qxb4 Rf2 Qc4 Qf1 Rb7 Qh3
(3.180.765) 88.8
10.01   0:48.32  +0.46   axb5 axb5 Nd3 Nxd3 Rxd3 Ra8 Nd5 Bd8 b3 Qc8 Rc3 Bc7
(4.366.475) 90.3
10 ->   0:51.74  +0.46   axb5 axb5 Nd3 Nxd3 Rxd3 Ra8 Nd5 Bd8 b3 Qc8 Rc3 Bc7
(4.696.487) 90.7
11.01   1:41.00  +0.43   axb5 axb5 Nd3 Bd8 Nxb4 Qxb4 Rf2 d5 exd5 Qxb2 Qd3 Rc7
Bd2 (9.258.273) 91.6
11 ->   2:15.00  +0.43   axb5 axb5 Nd3 Bd8 Nxb4 Qxb4 Rf2 d5 exd5 Qxb2 Qd3 Rc7
Bd2 (12.260.349) 90.8
12.01   4:54.92  +0.43   axb5 axb5 Nd3 Bd8 Rf2 Nc6 Nd5 b4 b3 Qb5 Qe1
(26.612.056) 90.2
12.25  15:23.56  +0.44++ Rdg2 bxa4 Rh4 Nc6 (78.451.980) 84.9
12.25  19:21.31  +0.79++ Rdg2 bxa4 Rh4 Nc6 Qh5 Qe6 Nxa4 Nxg6 Qxg6 (98.694.373)
84.9
12.25  45:12.96  +1.26   Rdg2 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Rxc4 Nxe3 Qf3 Nxg2 Rc6 Nf4
(224.712.217) 82.8
12 ->  45:16.26  +1.26   Rdg2 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Rxc4 Nxe3 Qf3 Nxg2 Rc6 Nf4
(224.991.564) 82.8
best move: Rd2-g2 time: 65:13.138 min  n/s: 82.486  nodes: 322.781.564


Ernst.



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