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Subject: Re: The details of a psychowar (DB team vs Kasparov in the NY Times)

Author: Hans Gerber

Date: 15:54:53 05/15/00

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On May 15, 2000 at 18:04:02, Andrew Williams wrote:

>On May 15, 2000 at 17:03:24, Hans Gerber wrote:
>
>>No, it's _not_ proven that Kasparov couldn't lose against DB under normal
>>conditions - - but if I look _how_ Kasparov lost the two games, how DB lost his
>>game, what GMs had commented, -- then I am sure that DB was not better than
>>Kasparov in 1997.
>
>Like you, I thought Kasparov would win. When he didn't win, I thought it was
>because he hadn't played very well. It is a breathtaking leap of logic to
>immediately blame his poor form on Hsu et al. If your whole argument is
>founded on your certainty that Kasparov was going to win, then you don't have
>much of an argument, in my opinion.
>
>Andrew

Not the certainty to win. My certainty is that the scientists around Hsu should
_not_ have done what they did. Not for moral reasons. Not for reasons of
gentleman's sports, but because the acted against standards of science.
But let's keep it here, you don't mention my main argument, so it doesn't make
much sense to discuss. For me this is not about persons who could be blamed. Not
Hsu, not Kasparov.

My intention was to lead the attention of the group away from such personalizing
to the standards of science. You should at least read the articles of the whole
debate for the past week. Do that and then perhaps new questions could be
discovered. To propose that Kasparov had a 'poor form' is wrong. Take game one.
Was that poor form? No, the crucial game was the second. And we are again in a
debate that is not genuinely one about chess, but about computerchess and the
impossibility to control the output of a machine. That means, the door to
cheating is wide open. Perhaps you think about the chess one could play under
such conditions.



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