Author: Albert Silver
Date: 08:15:00 05/21/00
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On May 20, 2000 at 20:19:39, Dann Corbit wrote:
>On May 20, 2000 at 14:06:24, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>On May 20, 2000 at 13:12:10, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>On May 20, 2000 at 12:06:52, Albert Silver wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 20, 2000 at 11:35:55, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Is a contest like WCCC Paderborn a competition?
>>>>>;-)
>>>>
>>>>Much like a Formula 1 race is. It's a competition because of the human element.
>>>>If Junior/Fritz/whomever wins, I admire the program, but give credit to the
>>>>programmer.
>>>>
>>
>>The element exists but the programmer is not the one who is playing.
>>
>>>
>>>And does not this same human element exist in any contest in which those
>>>programs...
>>>Participate?
>>>;-)
>>
>>Suppose I set up a race with a mechanic racing his race car by remote control
>>verus another car and its mechanic. You are telling me that that is the same
>>thing as racing it against just the mechanic? And in the context of a national
>>championship, that the car was 'champion'? In my view these are not the same
>>thing at all and yet in both cases the object will be to cover a distance in the
>>shortest time.
>
>Another important differance is that the human driver would definitely win. The
>feel of the grip of the tires to the road. The exact sound when it is time to
>shift. The sensation from the inner ear that tells the driver he's entering the
>corner a bit too fast.
>
>With a cyborg car, you will clearly lose ability. With a cyborg chess player
>you will probably gain. With a purely machine player, it's hard to know. The
>humans don't particularly want to try. At least most of them don't.
I know. I'm not being completely honest when I compare the two forms of racing
as there is a little more fascination and interest in a chess game in this case
until it gets too lopsided, so that man-machine games and events are extremely
interesting (good moves, anti-computer strategy or not, how long will we keep
our edge, etc...), BUT..... that has nothing to do with declaring a machine
national champion.
I'm not too fond of cyborg chess as is shown in Advanced Chess. Let something
else do your thinking while all you do is point the direction? This may sound
like Formula 1 racing more than ever, but I think you are taking out the main
effort from the confrontation and it loses its sporting interest significantly
(even if it can produce great games). In F1 the drivers are still driving around
at 300km/h where a fraction of a second can be the difference between life and
death, hence the nature of the event is changed considerably; not so here.
Albert Silver
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