Author: Albert Silver
Date: 14:27:25 06/06/00
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On June 06, 2000 at 16:38:50, José de Jesús García Ruvalcaba wrote:
>On June 06, 2000 at 12:31:47, Pierre Bourget wrote:
>
>>Everybody knows that the most celebrated computer chess scene in movies is
>>probably the one in Kubrick's 2001:A Space Odyssey from 1968 .
>
> One of the worst movies I have ever seen. Boring, pointless, meaningless. I do
>not understand how I managed to stay awake for the full movie.
>
No doubt, it can be difficult to understand. If you read the book, a lot will
become much clearer, or even seeing the sequel "2010" helps. The book is in fact
almost exactly the film, except that we benefit from knowing what is going on,
such as the reason HAL goes mad (not at all obvious just from the film), or what
happens to Bowman when he is sucked into the monolith and becomes Starchild.
Visually, it's all there, but we have virtually nothing to help us understand
what it is we are seeing. In a sense, Blade Runner is like this as well, which
explains why the critics blasted it on it's release. The original film was
presented to the critics in a preview WITHOUT Ford's voice-over narration, and
left them completely mystified by many things. They reported that Scott was off
on a trip of his own in his new incomprehensible science fiction film. The
studio was deeply worried that the audience would be just as confused, and the
narration was included in the release. Consequently, the Blade Runner critics
initially saw and reported on was different from that which was released.
Both 2001 and Blade Runner were conceived as visual narrations which is not to
the taste of everyone, but is certainly an interesting artistic choice.
Personally, both are on my top lists.
Albert Silver
>>The game was not
>>played by the computer but was a true game between Roesch and Schlage from a
>>minor section of the Hamburg 1910 tournament.Some months before the release of
>>this movie ,the same thing happen in very well know tv series ; Mission
>>Impossible has an episode called A Game of Chess in his second season.Here is a
>>brief description:
>>
>>Episode #42 :A Game of Chess
>>Nicholas Groat (Don Francks), an international chess master, plans to steal the
>>gold from a hotel vault. The gold was originally intended for a pro-Western
>>underground movement in an opressive country. Rollin poses as a chess master
>>with the help of Barney's chess playing computer in order to gain the Groat's
>>confidence. The IMF then helps Groat gain access to the vault before the IMF
>>takes the gold from Groat at gunpoint.Aired 1/14/68.
>>
>
> I have not seen this episode. Sounds interesting.
>
>>I was able after looking at the tape several times to reconstruct the couple of
>>games that were shown and to my surprise they were actual games played before
>>also by humans.
>>
>>K. Macan (unknow actor)-P. Anderson (Rollin [Martin Landau] with the help of
>>Barney's [Greg Morris]Computer). In fact the game Labone-Amateur ,Birmingham
>>1901.
>>
>>[MLNrOfMoves "20"]
>>[MLFlags "100000"]
>>[Site "Birmingham"]
>>[Date "1901"]
>>[White "Labone"]
>>[Black "Amateur"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>
>>1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. d4 e5 4. Nf3 exd4 5. Nxd4 c5 6. Qe2+ Be7 7. Nb5 Na6 8.
>>N1c3 Qe6 9. Be3 Nf6 10. Qf3 O-O 11. Bd3 c4 12. Nd4 Qb6 13. Nf5 Qxb2 14. Nxe7+
>>Kh8 15. Bd4 cxd3 16. Qxf6 Rg8 17. Qxf7 Be6 18. Qxe6 Qxa1+ 19. Kd2 Qxh1 20. Ng6+
>>hxg6 21. Qh3# 1-0
>>
>>A. Groat (Don Francks)-P. Anderson (Rollin [Martin Landau] with the help of
>>Barney's [Greg Morris] computer).I fact the game Dake-Pauly ,Baltimore 1936.
>>
>>[MLNrOfMoves "9"]
>>[MLFlags "100000"]
>>[Event "Simul"]
>>[Site "Baltimore"]
>>[Date "1936"]
>>[White "Dake"]
>>[Black "Pauly"]
>>[Result "0-1"]
>>
>>1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. Ne2 dxe4 5. a3 Bxc3+ 6. Nxc3 Nc6 7. Qg4 Nxd4 8.
>>Qxg7 Nxc2+ 9. Ke2 Qd3# 0-1
>>
>>So Kubrick's idea ,if it was his idea, was not new to take an existing game. If
>>you know earlier example please share your discoveries here.
>>
>>There are two others more recent scenes that i remember but don't have the tape
>>right now:
>>
>>At the beginning of the movie The Thing (1982) by John Carpenter ,Kurt Russell
>>play chess against a computer ,Chess Wizard i think, and after losing he emptied
>>his whisky glass in the computer in sign of disgust.
>>
>>In Blade Runner (1982) by Ridley Scott , i think there is also a computer chess
>>scene but i don't remember well , can someone confirm that. Thanks.
>>
>>Pierre
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