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Subject: Re: Moderate Bean Counting

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 13:12:30 07/02/00

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On July 02, 2000 at 15:38:27, Chris Whittington wrote:

>On July 02, 2000 at 09:58:58, Robert Hyatt wrote:
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>>On July 02, 2000 at 07:23:04, Chris Whittington wrote:
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>>>On July 02, 2000 at 05:21:45, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Nobody is going to sit down and do psycho-statistical analysis of a thread's hit
>>>>count drop-off rate.
>>>
>>>Tres drole. Sorry about the lack of accents.
>>>
>>>Most persons, with half a brain even, would be able to instantly intuit sensible
>>>conclusions from readcount data. Quite why you would imagine it necessary to
>>>perform SSDF-like statistical analysis to several places of decimals presumably
>>>with degrees of confidance figures attached escapes me. Or are you arguing on a
>>>reducto absurbam basis? I thought I already made it clear the idea of having the
>>>data was just an aid to avoid the danger of being too arbitrary and subjective.
>>>
>>
>>
>>I don't buy that argument.  IE I believe that many here read (or scan) most
>>everything posted here.  On many occasions I do this.  Just clicking on a link
>>will bump the 'read counter'.  And checking the counter won't tell you a thing
>>about (a) whether the post was really read, or did the reader look at the
>>first line and toss it?  (b) was it read out of curiousity about the argument
>>going on?  (c) was it read because of the poster's name, or because the topic
>>is actually interesting?
>>
>>If you use a "read counter" you might conclude that automobile license plates
>>are more popular than current literature.  Using a "read counter" in a newspaper
>>might produce equally skewed results.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>If the data were recorded with intent to use it as an aid
>>>>in helping out with moderation decisions, all that would happen is that 1) The
>>>>moderators would use the data (any data) to bolster their existing opinions
>>>>about topicality, and 2) People who aren't moderators would use it in order to
>>>>bolster complaints:  "You said my C++ post is off-topic but the page was
>>>>refreshed 13 times."
>>>
>>>Your point (1) shows a degree of cynicism to the moderators and their decision
>>>making processes.
>>>
>>>Your point (2) shows a degree of cynicism to members and their tendency to
>>>complain. Or their motivations for doing so.
>>>
>>>I share your frustrations.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sorry, but I don't agree that the intended purpose of this feature is necessary
>>>>or desirable.
>>>
>>>But clearly there is little shared agreement on how to 'fix' problems, such as
>>>those exampled by the Gerber-Hyatt threads. Are they 'unfixable'?
>>>
>>>Chris Whittington
>>>
>>
>>Probably so.  At times Rolf can be talked to with no problem.  At other times,
>>he is just "Rolf" and nothing will change his overall behavior over time.
>>
>
>Yes. I understand your model. Hans Gerber = Rolf Teuschen.
>
>I am not party to any proof you may have, but, just for the sake of argument,
>let's say that your model is correct.
>
>Was your objection that "Rolf" was posting, per se?
>
>Or that he was hiding behind an alias?
>
>
>Chris Whittington


The "alias" was the problem to me.  I would like to be able to choose whether
to converse with someone or not...  If I have had prior bad experiences, I may
well choose to "not".  In this case, it takes a week of wasted effort before the
light flashes on, and recognition occurs...

I don't mind if he posts here at all.  I'd just like to see him post as himself,
just as I do.  Then if someone doesn't like what I have to say, they can ignore
me easily.  Same for him.  It was just like this with all the Sean incarnations
that we had a couple of years ago.

Except for obvious abusive cases, I don't mind who posts where, but I would like
to see them use their real name..  for reasons already given.  This place would
not be worth anything if _everybody_ wanted to remain anonymous.





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>>>>bruce



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