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Subject: Re: Moderate Bean Counting

Author: blass uri

Date: 02:51:27 07/04/00

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On July 03, 2000 at 21:37:29, Bruce Moreland wrote:

>On July 03, 2000 at 07:00:45, Chris Whittington wrote:
>
>>On July 02, 2000 at 12:15:05, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>
>>>On July 02, 2000 at 07:23:04, Chris Whittington wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 02, 2000 at 05:21:45, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Nobody is going to sit down and do psycho-statistical analysis of a thread's hit
>>>>>count drop-off rate.
>>>>
>>>>Tres drole. Sorry about the lack of accents.
>>>>
>>>>Most persons, with half a brain even, would be able to instantly intuit sensible
>>>>conclusions from readcount data. Quite why you would imagine it necessary to
>>>>perform SSDF-like statistical analysis to several places of decimals presumably
>>>>with degrees of confidance figures attached escapes me. Or are you arguing on a
>>>>reducto absurbam basis? I thought I already made it clear the idea of having the
>>>>data was just an aid to avoid the danger of being too arbitrary and subjective.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I think the data would be useless.  The interpretation is everything, and it's
>>>likely that the data would support any interpretation.
>>
>>There is no such thing as 'useless' data. As you point out, it is all in the
>>interpretation. I think what you actually mean is that the interpretation would
>>be 'useless'.
>>
>>Actually, you don't even mean that, since 'useless' is an inappropriate
>>descriptor. You mean that the data would be interpreted _unscientifically_ and
>>that such an interpretation would be not 'useless' but 'unhelpful'. To whom?
>>
>>Presumably you would not attempt to argue that a _scientific_ interpretation of
>>the data would be 'useless'? Probably 'contentious' from your viewpoint, but not
>>'useless'.
>>
>>>
>>>I don't see how you can object to the possibility of using math on numbers, but
>>>I doubt there is any math that would help, either.
>>
>>I don't object. I was mildly counter-mocking you.
>>
>>>
>>>>>If the data were recorded with intent to use it as an aid
>>>>>in helping out with moderation decisions, all that would happen is that 1) The
>>>>>moderators would use the data (any data) to bolster their existing opinions
>>>>>about topicality, and 2) People who aren't moderators would use it in order to
>>>>>bolster complaints:  "You said my C++ post is off-topic but the page was
>>>>>refreshed 13 times."
>>>>
>>>>Your point (1) shows a degree of cynicism to the moderators and their decision
>>>>making processes.
>>>>
>>>>Your point (2) shows a degree of cynicism to members and their tendency to
>>>>complain. Or their motivations for doing so.
>>>>
>>>>I share your frustrations.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Sorry, but I don't agree that the intended purpose of this feature is necessary
>>>>>or desirable.
>>
>>Who-whom?
>>
>>I expect you to challenge my motivation for the idea. Obviously you are
>>suspicious. But such thoughts can be turned to face at yourself, I think.
>>
>>To repeat:
>>
>>"The
>>>>>moderators would use the data (any data) to bolster their existing opinions
>>>>>about topicality, and 2) People who aren't moderators would use it in order to
>>>>>bolster complaints:"
>>
>>Have you become so cynical that group (1), the moderators would
>>_unscientifically_ abuse the data; and that group (2) the not-moderators would
>>do the same?
>>
>>Group (1) plus group (2) equals everybody, doesn't it?
>>
>>Are there any 'good guys' here, in your view?
>
>Imagine you had suggested that we get a rock, and send it to Steve.  Every time
>there is a new post, Steve is to lick the rock.  If the rock tastes salty, Steve
>tells the moderators to delete the thread as off-topic.
>
>I would argue that there is any logical correlaction between the taste of the
>rock and the topicality of the post, so that any data produced by Steve is
>useless.
>
>I think your idea is similar to the rock-licking idea, only worse, because
>nobody would believe that rock-licking is a good idea, but Uri Blass thinks that
>hit counting is a good idea.
>
>bruce

I believe that there is a correlation between the topicality of the post and the
hit count.

I also do not say to use only hit count to decide and in more than 90% of the
cases I am sure without using hit count if the post is on topic or off topic.

Uri



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