Author: Chris Whittington
Date: 06:59:10 11/13/97
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On November 13, 1997 at 08:52:36, Fernando Villegas wrote: >What this guy Rolf did to deserve execution? I am not saying nothing >against that measure Or in favour of it in priciple, just I want to know >what he said HERE that such an unpleasant measure was taken. Until now, >without all facts in my hands, I tend to think that a little bit of over >reaction is also part of the history. Sorry, maybe I talk about this >being myself a kind of Rolf T. in TV and journalistic media in my >country. I earn a life critizing with the utmost harshness, so I tend to >be tolerant with people that do something of the sort. Of course, >personal insults cannot be alouded, but Did he insult anybody here in >such personal terms? Really he implied a dirty intrigue? I hope nobody >will get angry with me, specially Chris, but sometimes I believe that >people specially biased towards harshnes and critic, althought a pain in >the ass many times, are a kind of necesary evil. Sometime we tends to be >too much lovely and permissive with each other to avoid conflicts and >thorought that an amount of hipocrecy, lyes and falsehood is instilled. >Now I am afraid to disturb anybody. Almost I have the desire to wipe >this post. Once some kind of superior power launch his ukase, things >are not anymore the same and you begin to think with double standard: >what you wanted to say and what you think the comission could interpret >of your thinking. Not pleasant at all. >fernando Tueschen is a strange case. When you come to his posts for the first time, and then for the next few times, you think; hmmm, this guy is obviously unbalanced/disturbed/mad, but occasionally says something sensible. So you engage him in discourse; maybe even with some kind of crazy idea that you can 'save' him. Many have done this, and no doubt, unfortunately, will continue to do so. Then after some weeks, or months, or even years; you see that his stuff is cyclical. He comes round to the same fantasies again and again and again. And his fantasies are incredibly cruel and destructive. Mostly he targets Ed Schroder, with Thorsten as next in line. I get a few side-swipes, but nothing too serious. The others he attacks in various mad and unpleasant ways, but these other attacks would be just about tolerable (for me, anyway). I think, for most of us, the real problem are the constant lies, smears, diatribes and slanders against Ed Schroder and Rebel, and Ed's business. These range from strange sexual fantasies through to just about anything and everything. they've been going on for over a year. Nothing seems to be able to stop him, not arguments, not private emails, not court cases, not ignoring him, not hate, not nothing. I think some people have even offered olive branches by private email - he just ignores them. Get involved in the arguments and you'll receive a Tueschen diatribe all of your own. From this guy, I've never seen a retraction, an apology, a reformulation of view. He's like the devil behind armour plating. Now. most of the people on the group of 9 either grew up in the european marxist fog, or have deep rooted christian convictions or whatever. Mostly they operate in the kind of libertarian/marxist/christian fog that permeates 20th century liberal thought. This group is aware of the issues of personal freedom, exclusion of an individual, banishment to siberia and so on that are involved. The problem for such liberals is how to deal with somebody who behaves so anti-socially, so evil-ly as someone as Tueschen. Unfortunately there is a time when patience, and belief that somehow he can be socialised, ceases. When we made this CCC group, it was largely to create a forum that couldn't be destroyed by Tueschen and, occasionally, his idle supporters. So we built it as a free-access forum, where even he could get access. The fact that he abuses this by feigning occasional interest, or just reading to get information; which then results in more attacks and lies and insults over on rgcc; led us to the view that we were no longer prepared to tolerate him in this 'club'. I, personally, am aware that this is a finely balanced moral issue; with issues of personal freedom and power on the one side and his appalling behaviour on the other. We came, with an overwhelming majority, to the decision to exclude him. Its not clear cut, there are arguments on both sides. But we decided he was to be out. Again, personally, I hope that this process leads to his removal or withdrawal from rgcc as well. Chris Whittington
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