Author: KarinsDad
Date: 14:33:18 07/20/00
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On July 20, 2000 at 15:23:56, Dann Corbit wrote: [snip] >For just the Dortmund result, Amir Ban is one of the greatest chess programmers >of all time. To me, more impressive (because of the hardware difference) from a >programming standpoint than the Deep Blue result (and -- I might ask -- Where >are Hsu and Campbell in these lists? Probably ought to be in first place >because the chess machine they assembled was [with apologies to Amir] the >greatest chess machine ever assembled). Deep Junior on that 8 CPU machine is >clearly -- without any logical question -- one of the two or three greatest >chess machines assembled in the history of mankind. How can you say Amir is not >impressive? Ok, I'll say it. DJ was impressive, but Amir has not been shown to be one of the greatest chess programmers of all time. Do not get me wrong, I think the result was great. But, if the Dortmund field consisted of the Dortmund field plus a half dozen other current chess programs on SMP systems, there might be a good chance that DJ would not have been first amongst computers. I think there are several other candidate SMP programs (Fritz, Ferret, Crafty) which may have done nearly as well or better, but we do not know for a fact. We cannot, for example, compare comp/comp results. As you always say Dann, there is not enough data yet and to indicate that Amir is one of the greatest chess programmers of all time due to this one sample and due to him being the first in a tournament to get there (when there are so few of them) does not do you credit. Where is your scientific objectivity now? You claimed that there was not enough data to indicate that DJ is GM level, but turn around and claim that it's programmer is one of the best ever(?). I think Amir did a great job, I cannot stress that enough. But, his was the only horse in the stable although other horses exist. When DB played, it WAS the only horse in existence (at that level), and it did it 3 years before DJ, and the programmers for it did not limit themselves to just writing code (which is easy to do compared to designing hardware). JMO. KarinsDad :)
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