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Subject: Re: Dead Wrong!

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:33:59 07/21/00

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On July 21, 2000 at 11:32:45, Ed Schröder wrote:

>On July 21, 2000 at 11:03:13, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On July 21, 2000 at 07:42:00, Chris Carson wrote:
>>
>>>On July 21, 2000 at 07:06:08, Alvaro Polo wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 21, 2000 at 01:11:57, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 20, 2000 at 19:57:16, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On July 20, 2000 at 19:11:03, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>[Event "DB-GK the rematch"]
>>>>>>>[Site "am Rd1; bm Rf5+"]
>>>>>>>[Date "2000.05.31"]
>>>>>>>[Round "?"]
>>>>>>>[White "DEEP BLUE"]
>>>>>>>[Black "Garry Kasparov"]
>>>>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>>>>[WhiteElo "?"]
>>>>>>>[BlackElo "?"]
>>>>>>>[FEN "4r3/8/2p2PPk/1p1r4/pP2p1R1/P1B5/2P2K2/8 b - - 0 1"]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>DB played Rd1?? which caused a giant immediate material loss where Rf5+
>>>>>>>is the obvious defence. The most convincing argument is the score DB gave
>>>>>>>for Rd1?? way too positive (perhaps Uri remembers) and the very negative
>>>>>>>(and correct) scores some of the micro's gave when they did an analysis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Didn't someone say this one was caused by a C macro being improperly expanded or
>>>>>>some such?
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't know and I really don't care. All we have are a few games and
>>>>>hiding behind bugs is not a very convincing argument.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ed
>>>>
>>>>If what you are seeking is the truth you should care.
>>>>
>>>>Alvaro
>>>
>>>The truth is that Ed, Uri, and Amir are right.  DB had bugs
>>>and a simple eval (so that HSU could put it into ASICS, HSU
>>>was a HW guy Murry was the SW guy, trade offs were made to
>>>create ASICS).
>>>
>>>Best Regards,
>>>Chris Carson
>>
>>
>>You are obviously an ASIC expert?  And their claim of 8,000 adjustable eval
>>terms is therefore bogus?  And it was our imagination that it beat Kasparov
>>3 years ago?
>
>From the IBM site:
>
>    Does Deep Blue use artificial intelligence?
>    The short answer is "no." Earlier computer designs that
>    tried to mimic human thinking weren't very good at it. No
>    formula exists for intuition. So Deep Blue's designers have
>    gone "back to the future." Deep Blue relies more on
>    computational power and a simpler search and evaluation
>    function.
>


What is the point?  "not using AI"?  Who is?  Who isn't using a simpler
search and evaluation compared to what was thought to be necessary 20
years ago?  Don't you use full-width?  Aren't you faster than Crafty?

thought so...




>
>>thought so...
>>
>>Nice to have someone that doesn't know anything about hardware declaring what
>>Hsu could and couldn't do, _after_ he had already done it...



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