Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:23:20 11/14/97
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On November 14, 1997 at 21:22:36, Keith Ian Price wrote: >On November 14, 1997 at 08:18:06, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On November 14, 1997 at 01:52:31, Keith Ian Price wrote: >> >>>On November 13, 1997 at 12:19:31, Chris Carson wrote: >>> >>>>see article: http://www.currents.net/newstoday/97/11/11/news5.html >>>> >>>>Interesting article. Lots of power 400 to 700 MHZ, >>>>Lots of RAM (up to 3 gigabytes). >>>>128 bit cache (up to 4 megabytes L3) >>>>64 bit power >>>>Native Windows NT 5.0, no translation needed. >>>> >>>>I hope this puts pressure on Intel!! :) >>>> >>>>Looks like 1998 might bring some competition. >>>> >>>>Best Regards, >>>>Chris Carson >>> >>>Intel plans to have a 450 Mhz Pentium II by the end of 1998 with a >>>100Mhz bus and 2MB of 450 MHz L2 cache. With this size and speed of >>>cache, I think that for computer chess, this Intel machine will easily >>>outdistance a 600Mhz cheap Alpha, and would be price competitive with >>>the 600 Mhz Alphas from DEC at that time. Which should be half the price >>>they are today. Merced--IA64--due in 1999, should reach 1 Ghz by the end >>>of 2000. This is, of course, still an unknown player. I think they feel >>>the pressure. >>> >>>kp >> >> >>Of course, within the year DEC's 21264 will be out, so comparing with >>the >>PII/450 is a poor comparison. How would a PII/450 compare to a 21264 at >>one gigahertz? > >I thought we were talking about cheap Alphas. Not $10,000+ Alphas. With >price and compatibility taken into consideration, I'd take the PII 450, >which will be more than half the speed, most likely. Almost doubling >speed for an additional $5000-8000 is not an option for me. Which is why >600 Mhz Alphas don't really compare to a $2500 PII-300 today. > >kp > Notice that you can go buy a 533 mhz alpha for under 5,000 bucks right now, which is about what you'd pay for a good PII/300. And running Crafty, that 533 mhz alpha would be about twice as fast. IE the PII/300 is not quite 1.5X faster than the P6/200 due to the poor L2 cache clock speed. The alpha/500 is 3.1 times faster than the P6/200 running Crafty. By the time you can buy a PII/450, you will certainly be able to buy an alpha/600 for the same price-level, and run faster. And it won't be long, after the 1ghz alphas come out, that the 750mhz version will be price-competitive with Intel. And then there are the PPC's which are already faster than the pentium machines, unfortunately, and getting faster. They will be at 1ghz before the alpha apparently...
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