Author: Uri Blass
Date: 05:22:06 08/11/00
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On August 11, 2000 at 07:37:19, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On August 11, 2000 at 05:59:53, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On August 11, 2000 at 04:11:12, Jouni Uski wrote: >> >>>I wonder, if it's possible to arrange match between the two top rated (against >>>humans) programs: Deep Junior 2702 (8*700Mhz) and PConners 2663 (160*300Mhz)? >>>Mini match with 4-10 games will give interesting info about their strength! >>>Just on idea... >>> >>>Jouni >> >>I guess that p.conners is going to lose. > >>P.conner is not commercial and it is a big advantage against humans and inspite >>of this advantage Deep Junior did better results. > >>I think that a tournament with Deep Junior(8*700),Fritz6b(8*700) and Crafty on >>the best alpha machine that it can use will be more interesting > >Diep 8*700 is more interesting than that. I don't see deep junior NOR >fritz ever do better moves as they get like 15 ply anyway. DIEP hardly gets >to tactical sufficiency. > >Your speculation is completely on the wrong ways. > >Speeding up positional weak programs like junior and fritz is not gonna >help much. > >As for tactical power against p.conners, with 8 processors you don't outgun >a 180 processor 3000$ an hour or so machine. > >I'm not sure that junior would in lippstadt have achieved the same >result. Drawing junior is just TOO easy. I do not think that drawing against p.conners is more hard to do. One of the players could draw P.conners by 3 time repetition but he prefered to try to win and lost(I remember that the rating of him is lower than 2400). > >I'm just 2255 fide rated , though very likely IM within a few years >and 2400 rated, that's still not much nowadays to play computers. > >But especially drawing programs like junior, which because of their >huge positional gaps is possible, is real easy. Winning is something >else of course. > >What junior showed is that with even 2 pawns ahead against Khalifman >it can't win. > >The only bad player of the tournament won from junior in 23 moves or >so. Piket won Junior but better hardware could help Junior in this game. My Junior5.9(this version is not the same as Deep Junior but similiar) can find Bh6 instead of Bg5 with more time(about an hour on PIII450) and avoid the position that Junior does not understand. Junior could find Bh6 also with less time but unfortunately it had the wrong time control. I also think that better hardware could help Junior against kramnik. It played the bad move Kh8 and my Junior5.9 can see 4 plies after it a drop in the evaluation. 3 out of these 4 plies are captures so I guess that better hardware could help Junior to play a better move. > >Despite that all it's obvious that it's an advantage to know what >program you play, (a huge advantage), nevertheless none of those >players that junior played has ever used junior on a commputer, >i'm quite sure of that. I know that adams played against Junior before the game and won Junior in the same opening in many blitz games. Unfortunately Junior played better at tournament time control and adams could not win. Uri
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