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Subject: Re: Chessbase will win!

Author: Alvaro Rodriguez

Date: 09:01:47 08/15/00

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On August 15, 2000 at 11:31:02, pavel wrote:

>On August 15, 2000 at 11:17:02, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On August 15, 2000 at 05:42:26, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On August 15, 2000 at 05:28:47, Marcus Kaestner wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 15, 2000 at 01:15:31, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Nice, that all TOP programs are there. With 4/15 programs
>>>>>(Fritz,Junior,Nimzo,SOS) probability for Chessbase to win is quite high!
>>>>>Can anybody count it? And specially when all these are very strong...
>>>>>
>>>>>Jouni
>>>>
>>>>no way. you will see it.
>>>>
>>>>marcus
>>>
>>>I do not know the future.
>>>Chessbase can win and can lose.
>>>
>>>I am sure shredder,Rebel and tiger are better but the same is also for some
>>>chessbase engines.
>>>
>>>You also cannot be sure that the best program is going to win.
>>>In WMCCC of 1997 Junior won convincingly and Junior was not the best program.
>>>
>>>How do you know before the games that chessbase is not going to win?
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>I don't understand why are so many excited about tiger at CCC?
>>
>>I only see it play positional incredible bad, missing all kind of
>>knowledge. It's really anti-computer style. Nowadays programs have a lot
>>less problems with that.
>>
>>I see crafty even at a dual getting only half speed at which it
>>will run at WMCC blowing away tiger in a positional way at the
>>icc regurarly.
>>
>>Some games Tiger sees lands and sails off to hit the land real soon
>>thereby playing well, others it doesn't see the land in the
>>see and sails to unknown destiny and loses pathetic.
>>
>>To win a championship like this the first priority is a program that
>>doesn't lose at all.
>>
>>I'm not impressed by Shredder's insight in the middlegame.
>>Especially putting pieces into pins and other dangerous anti-positional
>>things is something Shredder happily does, only its deep search and the
>>fact that at these 13+ ply depths there are not many tricks left,
>>allow usually such moves in a tactical way.
>>Yet the bottom line is: shredder hardly LOSES a game.
>>Therefore it always has a good chance to win a championship.
>>Same is valid for junior. It just doesn't blow things quickly. It's missing
>>some fundamental knowledge, but no matter whether it makes mistakes,
>>it doesn't blow it soon. It is not bad in endgame either, one of the
>>big reasons it won 1997 title. Shredder is real good in endgame.
>>
>>Tiger is in a few endgames not bad, but in the average endgame it loses
>>a lot in very weird ways at the icc servers. That's basically blitz of
>>course, so no big deal usual, but the slower games show the same problems
>>also.
>>
>>Crafty might get killed real soon in its book against Kure book who had
>>the chance to study automatically generated books real well as he's
>>a lot on the internet. Against certain other programs crafty will also
>>lose bigtime because of book.
>>
>>So i don't see crafty win either, but it will play in a reliable way
>>of course. Very good tested.
>>
>>If you have a big weak point in your engine, you can shake it winning
>>a heavy champ like this.
>>
>>Finally considering tiger and rebel will have nearly the same
>>book, i definitely would be on the last if my choice was limited
>>to those 2, at least rebel knows something about sacraficing pawns...
>>
>>Vincent
>
>
>hey no comments about DIEP?
>
>pavel ;)

I don`t know why Diep isn`t the best program out there, because Vincent seem to
know the weaknesses of some of the top programs and he should not have a problem
preparing specially for each opponent :-)
Maybe this WCCM will be the best ever!!

Regards,
Alvaro



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