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Subject: Re: In special mate searching mode or normal?

Author: Paulo Soares

Date: 18:29:01 08/17/00

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On August 17, 2000 at 19:37:47, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On August 17, 2000 at 18:22:37, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On August 17, 2000 at 18:08:36, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On August 16, 2000 at 18:41:59, Lars Sandin wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 16, 2000 at 17:48:20, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 16, 2000 at 17:35:44, Jari Huikari wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On August 16, 2000 at 17:23:33, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Took 2 seconds to solve the hardest two.  The other took one second.  The
>>>>>>>machine was not a very fast one.  On one of the fast machines, it would probably
>>>>>>>do a lot better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Was the program searching especially for mates?
>>>>>
>>>>>Chest 3.19 by Heiner Marxen (the best mate solver on the planet by a landslide).
>>>>>
>>>>>>How much time would need
>>>>>>to find the moves, if these positions were in normal game?
>>>>>
>>>>>Infinite.  It does not play chess, since it's just a mate solver.  On the other
>>>>>hand, on a multithreading machine, you could have the mate solver buzzing away
>>>>>in its own little thread while your chess engine is playing chess in a normal
>>>>>fashion.  Then, if the mate solver sees something interesting, it could report
>>>>>it to the chess engine.  It is actually an idea I have been entertaining, and
>>>>>incredibly simple to implement.
>>>>
>>>>How fast (approx.) does the program see longer mate-sequences; for instance in a
>>>>normal game - a mate in about 10 moves?
>>>
>>>Oh well it's a mate only searcher. Let's give it a huge mate
>>>(which a selective searcher could find real quick btw)
>>>
>>>8/Bk3p1p/1P3p2/KP2n2p/1P1p4/1Pp2p2/B1P5/7B w - -
>>>
>>>If it finds a mate here, please post the line,
>>>as i don't have the winning line for this position. I know how to win
>>>it, but DIEP will not soon see a mate here, stack problem...
>>>...but i like to keep my mating probs complete.
>>
>>That's not a mate in 10.  It is more than 20 ply to any mate from that position.
>
>Oh well, some selective searchers have no problem finding this mate,
>though it's way more as 20*20 ply :)

I think that below is the position that the white ones have to get to win the
game and, consequently, to give the checkmate.
I got this position after 191 moves, or 382 plies and after 3 hours. Poor white
king, has to walk a lot :)

[D] 8/Bk6/1P6/KP2np2/1P1p1p2/1Pp2p1p/2P4p/1B5B b - - 0 191

Paulo Soares, from Brazil



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