Author: Jason Williamson
Date: 17:06:23 08/19/00
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On August 19, 2000 at 19:35:09, Uri Blass wrote: >On August 19, 2000 at 19:05:37, Peter Skinner wrote: > >>>Ok , here is another one of them :-) >>> >>>I never have seen any data suggesting it should be even higher rated than it is >>>now and I _do_ follow its results. >>> >>>That crafty on a Quad-Xeon will be even stronger , sure , but other would >>>probably be better too on an Athlon 1000 which they don't get either . >>> >>>Crafty competes very successful at SSDF currently IMHO and I doubt many will >>>argue that it won't hurt Crafty getting the Fritz 6 opening book and the >>>Chessbase book learner ;-) >>> >>>If SSDF changed versions every month or so there _never_ would be any reliable >>>results and they chose the one distributed by Chessbase át some time . This >>>sounds reasonable ; and in fact it seems it isn't very broken at all . SOS also >>>wins matches against Crafty17.11 or 17.12 from time to time if you look at other >>>tournaments . >>> >>>I am sure Crafty17.13 will probably soon be tested by SSDF after WMCC but >>>whatever one can say about SSDF , noone can expect them to switch versions every >>>other week and play some 150 tournament games with all of them . >>> >>>pete >>> >>>> >>>>As for Crafty not using the Winboard environment, that is actually a good thing. >>>>Under ChessBase GUI, it is getting a well designed book to use. Crafty's book is >>>>good, but most times very speculative. The Crafty 16.xx series book, was by far >>>>better than the 17.xx series. >>>> >>>>Then again Uli, would you want the SSDF testing a version of Comet that had >>>>serious bugs in it? I don't think you would, so why should another author have >>>>to take the same sort of results? >> >>I am just stating that the 17.07 version had bugs, serious bugs, so why not use >>the next version that was more stable, and didn't have these bugs? > >What are the serious bugs? > >SSDF used in some games Crafty17.04. >Do you think it was better for them to continue using 17.04 and not use 17.07? > >Uri Its an interesting problem SSDF has using Crafty and other Amateur engines, since they are updated much more frequently then the commercials. SSDF needs to think about do they want the list to have 15 versions of Crafty on there, or do they want an accurate representation of Crafty's strength. Right now, since they are using a flawed version, they are gauging the strength of that version, yet the avg person will look and see that Crafy has this low rating and wonder why it did so well in this or that tournament. IMO It was am istake for them to use any of the early versions of 17.x since it took awhile for several key bugs to get removed from the program (if I recall there was a bug that misevaluated pawns on the 7th rank in the early 17.x) Perhaps it would have been better to use the last 16.x CB engine. And then only now jump to 17.11. In any event, I imgine that they will switch to 17.11 soon enough, perhaps after this test set is finished.
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