Author: Aaron Tay
Date: 03:10:00 08/20/00
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On August 19, 2000 at 02:10:29, Uri Blass wrote: >On August 18, 2000 at 23:22:26, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On August 18, 2000 at 21:46:30, Aaron Tay wrote: >> >>>On August 18, 2000 at 09:27:21, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>Cray Blitz and crafty are _very_ similar now. >>> >>>I'm rather curious about this statement. By "similar" , what do you mean? >>> >>> >> >>CB and Crafty have similar evaluations >>>>Do you think Crafty at 7M nodes per second would get rolled over very badly by >fritz at 1M? I don't. >>> >>Many like to speculate that CB was only good because of the hardware. That >>was only _part_ of the equation. I am not doing many things differently than >>I did 15 years ago in CB, particularly in the evaluation and search >>extensions. So you mean that there was absolutely no improvement in the level of general chess programming even at the top levels at all? Hard to believe..I always thought that Crafty "pound for pound" was better than CB The commericials might be slightly better but if what you are saying is true, they would have little chance to overcome the speed gap.. >I believe that engines are clearly different. > >For example Junior6 is more than 100 elo better than Junior4.6 when Junior4.6 >is an engine that is less than 3 years old. This is irrevelvant, since you can have a high rate of improvement when the engine is new..The question is the best chess program in 1990 vers the best chess program in 2000, not the rate of improvement of any indidvual engine. Firstly If you accept that Crafty is not too far off (say 100 elo?) from the best engines, you can take Crafty has a example of a state of the art 2000 program (You can include the current Junior,Fritz). And CB as a 1990 state of the art chess program. >I believe that if you play the best engine of 1990 against the best engine of >today on the same hardware you will find more than 200 elo difference in all >time controls. I would think so as well. But Dr hyatt seems to be implying that this is not true..
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