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Subject: Re: SSDF(Crafty 17.07 - SOS)AMD K6-2 450, 1-5.

Author: Wayne Lowrance

Date: 18:46:02 08/20/00

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On August 20, 2000 at 01:47:04, pavel wrote:

>On August 20, 2000 at 00:43:41, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On August 19, 2000 at 19:35:09, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On August 19, 2000 at 19:05:37, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Ok , here is another one of them :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>I never have seen any data suggesting it should be even higher rated than it is
>>>>>now and I _do_ follow its results.
>>>>>
>>>>>That crafty on a Quad-Xeon will be even stronger , sure , but other would
>>>>>probably be better too on an Athlon 1000 which they don't get either .
>>>>>
>>>>>Crafty competes very successful at SSDF currently IMHO and I doubt many will
>>>>>argue that it won't hurt Crafty getting the Fritz 6 opening book and the
>>>>>Chessbase book learner ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>If SSDF changed versions every month or so there _never_ would be any reliable
>>>>>results and they chose the one distributed by Chessbase át some time . This
>>>>>sounds reasonable ; and in fact it seems it isn't very broken at all . SOS also
>>>>>wins matches against Crafty17.11 or 17.12 from time to time if you look at other
>>>>>tournaments .
>>>>>
>>>>>I am sure Crafty17.13 will probably soon be tested by SSDF after WMCC but
>>>>>whatever one can say about SSDF , noone can expect them to switch versions every
>>>>>other week and play some 150 tournament games with all of them .
>>>>>
>>>>>pete
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As for Crafty not using the Winboard environment, that is actually a good thing.
>>>>>>Under ChessBase GUI, it is getting a well designed book to use. Crafty's book is
>>>>>>good, but most times very speculative. The Crafty 16.xx series book, was by far
>>>>>>better than the 17.xx series.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Then again Uli, would you want the SSDF testing a version of Comet that had
>>>>>>serious bugs in it? I don't think you would, so why should another author have
>>>>>>to take the same sort of results?
>>>>
>>>>I am just stating that the 17.07 version had bugs, serious bugs, so why not use
>>>>the next version that was more stable, and didn't have these bugs?
>>>
>>>What are the serious bugs?
>>>
>>>SSDF used in some games Crafty17.04.
>>>Do you think it was better for them to continue using 17.04 and not use 17.07?
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>
>>I'm not going to dive into the middle of this... it is too complex.  "crafty"
>>is _different_ from the commercial engines.  They release one program a year,
>>with maybe a bugfix version sometime later.  I release 10-20 versions a year.
>>Which one to test?  IMHO _always_ the most recent.  But perhaps that is not
>>practical.  I would prefer them to simply list "crafty v17" and upgrade as
>>new versions come out.  That is about the best that could be done, since
>>Crafty doesn't have an annual upgrade date...  So what if an earlier version
>>had a bug and had a worse result than is reasonable.  The 'fixed' version should
>>make up for the problems, over time.  The alternative is really bad IMHO, that
>>of having _each_ version of Crafty on the SSDF list.  In 3 years, 99% of the
>>entries on their list will be my program.  :)
>
>on the other hand, to make crafty compatible with chessbase GUIs it is needed to
>be compiled with additional codes in the engines. Probably nothing complex,
>probably same as winboard but differant output commands.
>now tell me how can you tell for sure that chessbase (after adding the
>neccessary codes) compiled it correctly without making any mistakes? .
>after all it is not being done by the author of the program himself (eg,
>bringer, lilgoliath, sos , comet......etc).
>well you might say the author dont have the interest on compiling each version
>for chessbase GUI.......in this case why not use the winboard adapter?
>you might say
>its not well known?? (great reason).......well NOW you know it ;))
>
>LOL
>
>pavel
Why was what I had to say snipped here ?!

Wayne



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