Author: Wayne Lowrance
Date: 18:46:02 08/20/00
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On August 20, 2000 at 01:47:04, pavel wrote: >On August 20, 2000 at 00:43:41, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On August 19, 2000 at 19:35:09, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On August 19, 2000 at 19:05:37, Peter Skinner wrote: >>> >>>>>Ok , here is another one of them :-) >>>>> >>>>>I never have seen any data suggesting it should be even higher rated than it is >>>>>now and I _do_ follow its results. >>>>> >>>>>That crafty on a Quad-Xeon will be even stronger , sure , but other would >>>>>probably be better too on an Athlon 1000 which they don't get either . >>>>> >>>>>Crafty competes very successful at SSDF currently IMHO and I doubt many will >>>>>argue that it won't hurt Crafty getting the Fritz 6 opening book and the >>>>>Chessbase book learner ;-) >>>>> >>>>>If SSDF changed versions every month or so there _never_ would be any reliable >>>>>results and they chose the one distributed by Chessbase át some time . This >>>>>sounds reasonable ; and in fact it seems it isn't very broken at all . SOS also >>>>>wins matches against Crafty17.11 or 17.12 from time to time if you look at other >>>>>tournaments . >>>>> >>>>>I am sure Crafty17.13 will probably soon be tested by SSDF after WMCC but >>>>>whatever one can say about SSDF , noone can expect them to switch versions every >>>>>other week and play some 150 tournament games with all of them . >>>>> >>>>>pete >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>As for Crafty not using the Winboard environment, that is actually a good thing. >>>>>>Under ChessBase GUI, it is getting a well designed book to use. Crafty's book is >>>>>>good, but most times very speculative. The Crafty 16.xx series book, was by far >>>>>>better than the 17.xx series. >>>>>> >>>>>>Then again Uli, would you want the SSDF testing a version of Comet that had >>>>>>serious bugs in it? I don't think you would, so why should another author have >>>>>>to take the same sort of results? >>>> >>>>I am just stating that the 17.07 version had bugs, serious bugs, so why not use >>>>the next version that was more stable, and didn't have these bugs? >>> >>>What are the serious bugs? >>> >>>SSDF used in some games Crafty17.04. >>>Do you think it was better for them to continue using 17.04 and not use 17.07? >>> >>>Uri >> >> >>I'm not going to dive into the middle of this... it is too complex. "crafty" >>is _different_ from the commercial engines. They release one program a year, >>with maybe a bugfix version sometime later. I release 10-20 versions a year. >>Which one to test? IMHO _always_ the most recent. But perhaps that is not >>practical. I would prefer them to simply list "crafty v17" and upgrade as >>new versions come out. That is about the best that could be done, since >>Crafty doesn't have an annual upgrade date... So what if an earlier version >>had a bug and had a worse result than is reasonable. The 'fixed' version should >>make up for the problems, over time. The alternative is really bad IMHO, that >>of having _each_ version of Crafty on the SSDF list. In 3 years, 99% of the >>entries on their list will be my program. :) > >on the other hand, to make crafty compatible with chessbase GUIs it is needed to >be compiled with additional codes in the engines. Probably nothing complex, >probably same as winboard but differant output commands. >now tell me how can you tell for sure that chessbase (after adding the >neccessary codes) compiled it correctly without making any mistakes? . >after all it is not being done by the author of the program himself (eg, >bringer, lilgoliath, sos , comet......etc). >well you might say the author dont have the interest on compiling each version >for chessbase GUI.......in this case why not use the winboard adapter? >you might say >its not well known?? (great reason).......well NOW you know it ;)) > >LOL > >pavel Why was what I had to say snipped here ?! Wayne
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