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Subject: Re: Uniform depth reporting proposal

Author: Will Singleton

Date: 20:03:49 08/26/00

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On August 26, 2000 at 16:12:45, Peter McKenzie wrote:

>On August 26, 2000 at 12:44:46, Will Singleton wrote:
>
>>On August 26, 2000 at 08:06:00, Brian Richardson wrote:
>>
>>>I think the information that many programs report, such as depth, score, PV,
>>>etc) is helpful to see, and appreciate most programs doing so (particuarly when
>>>their operators are online, or even some that have lists of opponents to
>>>automatically kibitz).
>>>
>>>However, each program reports in a different manner.  I would like to propose
>>>_some_ reporting uniformity.  I am not suggesting that standardizing _all_
>>>information and formats should be attempted.
>>>
>>>In particular, the search "depth" seems like a good place to start.  Depth can
>>>mean several different things.  I would like to propose a depth reporting format
>>>as follows:
>>>
>>>ply x(y/z) where x is the last full width (normal search) ply _completed_,
>>>z is the deepest with extensions, and z is the absolute deepest ply reached
>>>(typically in q-search).
>>>
>>
>>I assume you mean y = deepest with extensions.
>>
>>I don't know about standardizing.  I sort of like to compare the different
>>formats, you get to know the idiosyncrasies of each after awhile.  Your format
>>is unique I think, kind of verbose.  Others give a single number, like d=8,
>>which is too sparse.  I like my method (surprise :)), that gives the depth
>>reached plus number of ply 1 moves examined at that depth.  That shows exactly
>>where in the ply the search terminated.
>
>I prefer to show DEPTH COMPLETED, plus the number of root moves searched at the
>next depth.  I think that depth completed is a pretty universal thing.  Alot of
>programs don't show how much has been done at the next search depth, partly
>because this can be complicated by re-searches etc.
>
>In general, I think it would be great to agree on a standard format and a
>standard set of information to be presented.
>

Sure, if possible.  But it may be that different folks see what's important in
different ways.

So, when you display 7.10 depth, that means you've searched seven full ply, plus
10 root moves of the eighth ply?  When I display 7/10 depth, it means I've
searched six full ply, plus 10 root moves of the seventh ply.  That is, I
terminated the search at ply 7, move 10.  That seems like the proper way to do
it.

Will



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