Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 11:42:05 08/30/00
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On August 30, 2000 at 13:44:28, Albert Silver wrote: >On August 30, 2000 at 13:13:12, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>On August 30, 2000 at 11:23:53, Albert Silver wrote: >> >>>On August 29, 2000 at 16:26:54, Marcus Kaestner wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>>>>>sorry uri, but this is wrong. >>>>>>have you been at the last wcc´s? >>>>>>i haven´t seen you. >>>>>> >>>>>>and as a member of the rebel team this year and shredder team last year, i know >>>>>>what we have done and if i compare with chessbase then i know this is nothing. >>>>>> >>>>>>marcus >>>>> >>>>>Sorry, but you said that the reason that you expected chessbase not to win is >>>>>also the fact that the operators of other programs can force luck better. >>>> >>>>yes, you have read very well and kept it in mind. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Based on ssdf games of shredder4 I believe that Shredder was not the best >>>>>software+hardware in the last WCCC but you predicted that it is going to win and >>>>>you were right. >>>> >>>>after the wcc, stefan did not worked on the engine for nearly one year! >>>>the wcc was in june, and the ssdf came out end of the year or later. >>>>but meanwhile the others have done very much! >>>>so it was the best in june, but not the best in autumn. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>The only logical reason for it is the fact that you knew that it does better >>>>>opening preperation. >>>>> >>>>>Operators can force luck only by better choice of the opening. >>>> >>>>yes, as i did with tiger against nimzo. >>> >>>I don't understand what this means. Do you mean to say that you selected Tiger's >>>opening choice DURING the game? If that is the case, then I would have thought >>>that was cheating. Otherwise, I do not see how the operator can influence the >>>outcome of the game unless you make a mistake by entering a different move from >>>that which was played or gain time by transmitting the moves faster. >> >>No Marcus did not influence the opening during the game. That was done >>before the game mainly to escape from Nimzo's dangerous Sicilian book as >>it build itself quite a reputation during the tournament. >> >>Ed > >Ok, but I don't see that as 'forcing luck', Me neither. >just standard tournament opening >preparation. Perhaps it's the term applied to this case that just sounds strange >to my ears. I'm surprised that he believes Chessbase's preparation to be >inferior in this case. I'm not saying he's wrong (he was there, I wasn't), but >it is just hard for me to believe that Chessbase wouldn't have provided >sufficient support in this aspect, particularly as they would have a deep >interest in having one of their steeds bring home the ribbon. > >In any case, yes, Nimzo's book is extremely well-designed for it. Without >meaning to diminish Kure's superb work, it must be easier to choose lines that >correspond to Nimzo's style of play, than for a program such as Rebel. The >reason being that Nimzo has a more extreme style of play, whereas Rebel's is >much better balanced so that choosing lines for it is probably a more subtle >job. On the other hand, actually incorporating these lines for Nimzo must be a >LOT of work, because it will be best suited for cutting-edge tactical lines, and >such lines must be extremely well investigated in order to not have Nimzo >committing Hara-Kiri before the game has even started. Difference between Kure and Noomen books is that the Kure books are more solid by nature. Noomen books often play very risky lines. Good lines no doubt but sometimes not easy to understand for the silicon. Making a good book is the work of 5-10 years same as making a good database. Ed > Albert Silver > >>> >>>> >>>>but the team is reasonable for the dangerous and safe book. >>>> >>>>there is a difference in preparation the book >>>>and forcing luck in the games. >>>>the influence of the operator can be very high. even with a tricky time setting. >>>> >>>>marcus
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