Author: Albert Silver
Date: 13:23:08 09/06/00
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On September 06, 2000 at 15:29:20, Mogens Larsen wrote:
>On September 06, 2000 at 14:33:52, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>>As I said before, if you choose to offer your services as betatester/developer
>>>stating your ambition clearly about revealing your ideas and thoughts only in
>>>exchange of money, then it's fine with me.
>>
>>First of all, this idea that somehow getting paid for work is immoral has got to
>>be the oddest one I've seen in a long time. That being a developer should only
>>be a volontary job is also rather mysterious, though I'm sure all companies will
>>back you solidly on it... :-)
>
>Where did you read that? I haven't said anything resembling that kind of
>statement.
"Well, if you want to offer your services for a price then it's your decision.
In my case I would see it as immoral because chess software is a hobby, not a
carrer move."
http://www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?128380
> If the programmers approach you then you can decide whether you want
>to get paid or not. If you offer your services for free and withold information
>you plan to sell later on, then it's immoral. But _I_ would consider it to be
>immoral if I chose to make money on a something I enjoy as a hobby. You are more
>than welcome to feel differently.
I do. I don't see how morals come in here. How on earth is making money off of
something you enjoy as a hobby immoral? It must be everyone's dream to be
immoral then. Either that or you have a very negative view on what constitutes
work, as opposed to a hobby since it would seem that one's work cannot be one's
hobby.
>
>>If it is within the scope of the person's accepted responsibilities, I agree,
>>otherwise it is at the person's discretion IMO.
>
>That's complete nonsense. Either you contribute to the best of your abilities or
>not at all. At least according to my definition of integrity.
That's overly simplistic. Suppose I am an accomplished painter (NB: I can't
paint a smiley) who happens to be beta-testing Rebel Zillion. Are you saying
that if I don't voluntarily contribute cover art and all sorts of colorful
wonders that I am doing one iota less than my job's responsibilities? Of course
not, as one thing has nothing to do with another. Suppose I find the idea for
the painting of the century while beta-testing?
>
>>I don't understand what you are basing this on. Why is Uri's sense of reality
>>misadjusted? Do you know his ideas? Have you tested them or had someone identify
>>why they are no good? If Uri believes his ideas are good enough to warrant
>>payment then so be it. That's what a developer does. I see no reason to scoff at
>>him.
>
>I don't understand why you think it's Uri.
"As I said before, if you choose to offer your services as betatester/developer
stating your ambition clearly about revealing your ideas and thoughts only in
exchange of money, then it's fine with me. I doubt the persons phone lines will
be buzzing with activity though. It's the implied lack of willingness to part
with all information unless you get a paycheck as well that bothers me.
Especially if you offer your services for free and voluntarily. I also take
offense to the suggested lack of enthusiasm as a result of not getting paid.
There are obviously a few people here, who think highly of their capabilities in
this particular field. And most of them needs to have their sense of reality
adjusted slightly, preferably recalibrated. Fortunately, it's very funny to
read."
The "As I said before" was in reference to a response of yours to a post by Uri,
so who else should I believe you are referring to?
Albert Silver
> It isn't. If it was I would have said
>so. Try reading a few of the other posts in this thread.
>
>Mogens.
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