Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:57:58 10/08/00
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On October 08, 2000 at 11:39:42, Ed Schröder wrote: >On October 08, 2000 at 09:49:51, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On October 08, 2000 at 04:58:50, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>On October 07, 2000 at 22:53:20, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On October 07, 2000 at 02:20:09, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 06, 2000 at 23:05:22, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On October 06, 2000 at 11:29:46, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On October 06, 2000 at 10:47:36, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On October 06, 2000 at 00:12:07, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On October 05, 2000 at 22:36:38, Daniel Chancey wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Castle2000 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>OK, this is getting crazy. We have people running world cups and we have >>>>>>>>>grandmasters playing games, only it's all taking place between two computers in >>>>>>>>>someone's basement. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>It is like watching the news and the lead-off headline is about a gigantic naval >>>>>>>>>battle, and you find out after sitting through three commercials (internet lag >>>>>>>>>to load the page) that the naval battle took place in some kid's bath tub. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I don't know what should be done about this, but this is annoying and I hope >>>>>>>>>that something can be worked out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Perhaps these kind of posts can be prefaced with "CM:" or something, so those >>>>>>>>>who couldn't care less could skip them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>bruce >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I agree. The subject has to be better defined. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Please stop with the current approach. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Is this a moderator issue? As much as I dislike the CM personalities >>>>>>>issues (there is hardly any interest for me), isn't this forum for >>>>>>>everybody? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Ed >>>>>> >>>>>>It is a moderator issue when we get emails complaining about the subjects, >>>>> >>>>>Then as a moderator you could also answer that on CCC we have free speech. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Free speech within bounds. I don't agree with dramatic subject lines that >>>>are misleading. I think it is perfectly within reason to expect that members >>>>choose a reasonable subject line so that others can decide whether or not to >>>>read the thread without having to first read each post to see if you want to >>>>read the posts. Bruce's comment about "World Cup" was right on target. >>>> >>>>I don't mind the posts. I would simply like to see the subject line reflect >>>>the true content. And get off the "world cup" and the like nonsense. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>>and when the threads here also have complaints about the subjects. I don't >>>>>>mind the chessmaster threads, as I said during moderator elections. But I >>>>>>don't like "world cup underway". A person can't hold a "world cup" event. >>>>> >>>>>Fine with me as long as you say that as a CCC member. >>>> >>>> >>>>I believe that this falls under the moderator job description. Or should >>>>we simply have Tim delete the subject line option so that you can't tell >>>>what is in _any_ post without reading it? I like the subject title. But >>>>only if it is _really_ the subject. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>So the subject matter is fine. I would just like to see more "truth in >>>>>>subject lines". IE "world championship delayed as fischer is in two groups" >>>>>>is way over the top. >>>>> >>>>>I agree but I got the impression you gave your opinion as a moderator. >>>>> >>>>>Ed >>>>> >>>> >>>>I did. Complaints from users (more than one) brought this up. I happened >>>>to agree and asked that it be 'fixed'. >>>> >>>>Otherwise we will be up to our armpits in world championships, world cups, >>>>international championships... and they will all be played in somebody's >>>>basement on one computer. And have nothing to do with the real WMCCC or WCCC >>>>events. >>>> >>>>Most recognize two WC events related to computers. faking up more is simply >>>>confusing/misleading/aggravating. >>> >>>Moderation on a confusing header-line. I can't find it in the CCC >>>charter. You? >>> >>>Ed >>> >> >> >> >>Ever seen a law about driving a little erratically? Yet a police officer >>will stop a car to see why and suggest a little more caution. What if someone >>posts an article "Rebel clobbered by Shredder in world cup match". When you >>read it you discover it is just another personality tournament with a "rebel" >>personality in chessmaster and a "shredder" personality as well. And the world >>cup was played in a basement. > >Peanuts... > >>Do you think new readers would be a bit confused? A _lot_ confused? Isn't it >>more reasonable to simply avoid sensationalism for basement tournaments. When >>several have said that it is misleading? > >Paenuts too. > >You are making CCC a kindergarten.... > >There was absolute no need for the moderators to interfere. Remember the >occasion when you was subject to moderation? How did it feel? That's what >you are doing each time you interfere so it better should be big when you >decide to speak as a moderator using your power, because that is the >position you have as an elected moderator. NOBODY interfered. I suggested (as did others) that the subject line be used appropriately. That is the function of a moderator, to keep a "discussion" moving along the right path. If someone asked me to precede any post about Crafty with the string "Crafty:" it wouldn't bother me _in the least_. I simply asked him to make it clear what he is reporting so that everyone can choose whether they want to read posts or not. I didn't tell him to not post. I didn't threaten him in any way. I just asked him to post with a reasonable subject so that I (or anybody else) can see that the post is about a chessmaster tournament and choose to ignore it, rather than seeing a "world cup" title which makes me wonder where it is being held and who is participating. We have lots of those subject lines here, ie the french championship, the dutch championship, etc. I would like to be able to see, from the subject line, what the post is about. I don't think that is asking too much. When I publish something in a journal, they make me supply a list of keywords. Do you think they would let me use such terms as "world cup" even though I didn't say anything about a real world cup at all? We only want reasonable behavior. No threats were made, nor required. Just a simple _suggestion_. > >Some people got annoyed about the confusing headers, they expressed their >feelngs in public, case solved. It's called adult behavior. > > >Ed > They also expressed their feelings via moderator email. Which is where we came in. > > > >>> >>> >>>>>>IMHO. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>You can't hold a "world cup" event. Nor is Yasser playing Joel, >>>>>>>>as your subject suggests. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Please try to find a more informative subject with the word "chessmaster" or >>>>>>>>whatever included... rather than posting spectacular subjects that are >>>>>>>>misleading at best.
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