Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 04:50:49 11/08/00
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On November 07, 2000 at 20:55:05, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>how much is it worth ?! >>one bean ? 2 beans ? >>shall we count them ? >>who knows ?! >I think the point is that when you talk about these games, sometimes you are a >bean counter yourself, you just get excited about different numbers. The thread >you started was not just about Gambit Tiger, it was about numbers returned by >various eval functions. Those are beans. 3.22 beans is not much different than >0.46 beans, if that's as far as you go with it. Bruce, i know the position or the game from endless debates of my friens uli, he had to defend with black against a guy. and i know the position is lost. we played and analyzed that game many weeks. i know what you mean. i shall not speak about beans myself. but i read pirsig and "the art of motorcycle..." and i know there IS a way to quantify-quality. its not about measuring quality, but about FEELING the amount and measuring your feelings :-)) did you ever read pirsig ? he's american. >I think it's pretty clear that white has an advantage in that game. There is >the question of whether or not it can be achieved, recognized, and converted. right. >You could probably condition a pigeon to peck the "+3" button if there is an >open file leading into someone's king position, and there is a rook on it. >Christophe is obviously doing something more sophisticated than that, but your >analysis is not sophisticated. You are talking about +3 versus -0.2, and 1-0. >I expect more from you, since you are something of an anti-empiricist. :-))) if i would live in a dream world, not knowing what is going on, how do i manage to find out about which programs are good and which are not good before the ssdf-list has tested them emperical ? sounds like a paradoxon. >I asked you in that post if you could provide lines for other depths than those >where the correct move is selected. What else did Tiger think of this? sorry. i lost the track. i bought and build a new machine. costed me 5 days of my life to setup windows and to install all 30 chess programs again :-)) i love bill gates. make sure he never is to close to me, could be a problem for him. WHY on earth do i have to reinstall the programs just because i installed a new windows version on a new machine ?! he is crazy. he should better let the programs in their directories, and NOT copy all kinds of files into the windows area. let the programs files in the programs directories. instead he comes with a monster of operating system. i think one day bill will get the fruits from all the pain he gives to us. prime directive ! will start my new machine and feed it with the position. just get me time. i just came in from berlin. > Did it >like the position from ply 1, and if so, what did it want to play? What did it >want to play in the ply where it apparently switched away from the right move? okok. will test. >In positions where black has solid defensive resources, does it still say +3 >sometimes? >I got some games with Gambit Tiger last night. It is very strong, and the >interesting thing about it is that it seems to be strong in endings, too. right. bob is on the wrong track. he searchers for help. but i think there is no help in that fight anymore. gambit tiger is there. you have to live with it. you cannot ignore gambit tiger anymore. and not the way it gets its results. thats part of it. >bruce
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