Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 18:56:52 11/08/00
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On November 08, 2000 at 00:41:05, Christophe Theron wrote: >>Radical? It was said to be impossible. AFAIK the argument lasted (lasts) five >>years now, since 1995. First is was impossible as per Botwinnik. Not just >>impossible, he was smeared as a fraud. Later it was said, ok it's possible, but >>it doesn't work on a win/lose results basis - this was the anti-CSTal argument. >>Now it is said, maybe it's possible, but it's nothing new - the anti-Tiger >>argument. Or it still isn't possible - you lose in the endgame - another >>anti-Tiger argument. It could have been evolutionary, if different assumptions >>held. But they didn't. So it became political and personal. And radical. The >>chief proponents of the old paradigm tried to 'own' computer chess. They'ld been >>there, done that, could have done that, did that and proved it didn't work, worn >>the tee-shirt, read the book, bought the record. They knew it all. And stuck to >>it. For years. >> >>Hence the shift is radical, revolutionary, even. Because of the participants. >What you are actually saying here is that Bob is the guy who has helped us to >notice that Gambit Tiger a new paradigm? Much earlier christophe ! I remember very good when Frederic Friedel made an article about Botwinnik, that was JUST before botwinnik died, about the berliner thing and the "fact" that botwinnik only had a paper- program. then botwinnik died and he spoke about botvinnik as if botvinnik was his best friend. i was very upset when i read it. upset about such a nice goodbye ! bob is an indicator. he has IMO registered very good what the danger is. the heavyness of his replies to my (ok - my posts have been very "clear" too... i am in very manic mood in the moment. i am enthusiastic!) and chris statements is very high. i like bob. but in the moment i think our personal relationship (if you can call it this way) gets stressed much. i still like him. but nevertheless - i have to draw the line in the ground: this is his point of view / here are mine. >By his compulsory need to belittle the value of speculative evaluations and >categorize Gambit Tiger into the "old paradigm" by any way (when everybody with >a brain out there is able to recognize that GT plays both differently AND >strong)? right. you have to be blind NOT to see it. the fact he is NOT seeing it makes clear he is part of the old world. like my grandpa. short hair = correct guy ! long hair = hippie ! but - despite these generation-conflicts , i still like my grandpa. yesterday (8th) was his birthday. i send him my best wishes into heaven. i am sure he is again in his U-BOOT and near grandma. He liked this movie with burt lancaster and clark gable, about the submarine... you knot this movie ? i remember that we watched from a video tape short time before he came into the hospital where he died). >That's maybe indeed a way to detect new things. The establishement is indeed >always very afraid of new ideas, and especially when they are strong. :-)))) > Christophe
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