Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 11:52:34 12/07/00
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On December 07, 2000 at 06:40:56, Harry Field wrote:
>On December 07, 2000 at 03:08:33, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On December 06, 2000 at 13:30:05, Harry Field wrote:
>>
>>>On December 06, 2000 at 10:52:06, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 06, 2000 at 01:20:08, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 06, 2000 at 00:50:33, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Isn't this the latest fad? Can you say "deep junior", "deep fritz"? Care
>>>>>>to guess where "deep" was first used? :) Ie what could be more confusing
>>>>>>than "deep junior" after there is already a very famous program that went
>>>>>>by "deep blue junior"???
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I wouldn't have dared to say it myself. I happen to be in perfect agreement with
>>>>>you on this topic.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm a big boy. I don't mind stating the obvious.
>>>
>>>Except you happen to be wrong. Big boy.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>:)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Seems to me that borrowing from a "famous name" is quite acceptable,
>>>>>>wouldn't you think?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I did not say it is not acceptable or illegal.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's just a low commercial practice. And generally used by followers, that's why
>>>>>I have been disappointed to see Stefan doing it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Christophe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I wouldn't begin to claim to know the motivation behind any of the look-alike
>>>>names. I simply don't like the idea much. IE "crafty" is "crafty" whether it
>>>>is a parallel searcher or a serial searcher. I don't like any of the following,
>>>>personally:
>>>>
>>>>1. the name is a proper subset of the name of another program. IE there is
>>>>already a program named x y z, and the new name is either x y, x z or y z.
>>>>
>>>>2. the name is an improper subset of the name of another program. ie there
>>>>is a program named x y, and the new program is named x z or y z.
>>>>
>>>>1 certainly leads to mass confusion. 2 leads to some confusion. Both seem to
>>>>be 'strange'...
>>>>
>>>>IE on ICC we have had a "deepblue", a "deeperblue". A "diepblue". Etc.
>>>>I don't like any of them. Since none have Hsu/Campbell/Hoane/etc behind them.
>>>
>>>Hsu/Cambell ripped the name "Deep Thought" off from the Douglas Adams book
>>>"Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". Deep Thought was a computer which was
>>>supposed to be able to answer the question of life, the universe and everything,
>>>taking seven million years and producing the answer "42".
>>>
>>>Also around at that time, as "big boys" will remember, was the Linda Lovelace
>>>porn movie "Deep Throat", featuring a prolonged act of oral sex for the "first"
>>>time on mass release in video porn stores. The name "Deep Throat" was then used
>>>for the mole in the Nixon administration which was feeding inside informations
>>>to Woodward/Berstein team reference the Watergate scandal. Whether Deep Thought
>>>or Deep Throat came first (sic), I don't know. Both came before Hsu and co.
>>>
>>>Deep Thought was then renamed Deep Blue for IBM purposes. How your theory that a
>>>ripped off name could then be 'owned' and further users of it castigated is
>>>beyond me. Have you an agenda or case to prove?
>>>
>>>
>>>"Gambit" is a well known chess term and is and has been used left right and
>>>centre for quite a while. You can purchase chess programs at "Gambitsoft", you
>>>can purchase "Kasparov's Gambit", there is a "Gambit Tiger", programs now are
>>>released with "versions" containing Gambit in the name. We know some of you like
>>>to own everything, but facts right before foot goes in mouth in future, please.
>>>You are not original.
>>
>>
>>
>>I don't understand why you are attacking Bob in such a gross way. I even wonder
>>if you have understood a word of what he was saying.
>>
>>
>>Further, a few weeks after "Gambit Tiger" has been released, and welcomed by the
>>community, somebody produces a "Gambit" program.
>>
>>It does not sound obvious to you that this is only for commercial reasons?
>>Juming on the bandwagon without paying the fare?
>>
>>What is the last time before "Gambit Tiger" that a program has used the word
>>"Gambit"?
>>
>>Answer: 1993. It was "Kasparov Gambit".
>>
>>
>>That was my only point.
>
>
>What? That Kasparov's Gambit was published in 1993? A pointless point, no?
>
>Anyway Stefan can use the word "Gambit", it's not
>>illegal.
>>
>
>Quite so. Anyone, including you, can use Gambit, Deep, Blitz for any chess
>program. There is no bandwagon to jump onto; you don't own the bandwagon; there
>is no fare to pay; MK has made no fanfare over the name, it is not advertised;
>the only fanfare is yours, making a deal out of nothing. It is Christmas,
>commercial noise.
It's a pity you don't even read the posts you are answering to.
Merry Christmas.
Christophe
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