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Subject: Re: A test position for chess programs - please not default for CM!

Author: Christophe Theron

Date: 09:12:00 12/17/00

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On December 17, 2000 at 11:09:25, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:

>On December 17, 2000 at 04:30:27, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>Don't show this mainline and score (0.00) to Thorsten!!!
>>
>>:)
>
>By the way, did you take a look at this position
>
>[D] r1b1k3/1p1p1pp1/1p1P3p/pP6/P7/8/5PPP/R5K1 w
>
>and at how all programs, yours included, believe that black is doing great?
>Since there are 1001 cases like this, why do you think programs can put the plan
>before the search when they can evaluate so horribly? Asking programs to behave
>like people is it not like putting the cart in front of the horse, like asking a
>lion to fight like a snake? Sunday questions... :)



Planning does not work 100% in current programs but it will come.

To be fair you should also mention all the positions that would totally confuse
human players and that chess programs would play very well in the blink of an
eye.

Programs and human players do not play with the same weapons. Programmers try to
cover the cases where programs look stupid to the human eyes. It's more a
question of cosmetics. You need to play at least 1000 games to see a position
like the one you have posted happening in a real game.

So solving it would not improve a program significantly (from a very pragmatic
point of view).

But it is true that solving it would be much more satisfying from an
intellectual point of view. It will certainly come...



    Christophe



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