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Subject: Re: Logistical questions

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 11:28:15 12/26/00

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On December 26, 2000 at 09:59:45, Uri Blass wrote:

>It seems that there are more draws between humans.
>
>If you look at the match between kramnik and kasparov there were 13 draws out of
>15.
>
>If you assume probability of 25% for the winner,5% for the loser and 70% draws
>then the standard deviation is smaller and you need less games to get
>significant result.

If the draw percentage is 70%, you are right.  75 points should win that one out
about 87% of the time.

But Kasparov should have been about to get 7.5 out of 15.0 93% of the time, and
win it outright 82% of the time.

How many did he get, 6.5?  He should have gotten that score 0.5% of the time.

But I don't think you can assume these huge draw percentages are "normal"
either.  GM games are usually in some larger context.  They achieve a winning
advantage in a match or tournament, then force draws to maintain this margin.

>Another point is that the games are not independent events.

Yes, I'm sure this messes everything up, but note that I'm not arguing for
statistical accuracy when choosing champions, either.

I think it's more powerful for *us* if we apply it to computer chess, where
there is much less match strategy.

bruce


>The first match between kasparov and karpov demonstrated it when karpov was
>leading 5-0 and decided to quit the match when he was leading 5-3 because he was
>tired.
>
>The reason that he decided to quit is that he knew that he was tired and that
>kasparov has bettter chances if the match continues.
>
>Karpov did not think about the games as independent events(otherwise he could
>prefer to continue and be almost sure of winning even if kasparov is slightly
>better).
>
>Even if you assume that the probability for kasparov to win a game is 0.2 and
>the probability of karpov to win a game is 0.1(I ignored white and black for
>doing the problem more simple) karpov had probability of 19/27 to win but karpov
>understood that the situation is worse than that and starting a new match from
>0-0 result is better for him.
>
>Uri



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