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Subject: Re: ECM errata (401 thru 500)

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 18:30:16 02/03/98

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On February 03, 1998 at 15:52:30, Amir Ban wrote:

>
>Yet another chapter in the ECM saga:
>
>
>No. 411 (Qxd6):
>
>I get the simple gxh7. Trying Qxd6, it gets about the same score (+3.5).
>The position is already very unbalanced anyway, so there may be more.
>
>Recommend: Scrap it, or add gxh7.
>

I get Qxd6, +4.5...  I have not tried gxh7 yet...

>
>No. 422 (f4):
>
>I find Qh4 (+92). f4 gets about the same, but I can't find a convincing
>continuation after f4 exf4 e5 (or Rb6).
>
>Recommend: Vague. Drop it.
>

I get the same move/score, starting at 5 plies, .02 seconds...



>
>No. 425 (Ng4+):
>
>The Ng4+ idea works, but I prefer the intermediate Bf5 Qg2 Ng4+.
>
>Recommend: Add Bf5.

didn't get anything here in 20 seconds... move choice was Bg4, -.39,
8 plies...  8.53 seconds...



>
>
>No. 427 (Ne2+):
>
>Perhaps I have the position wrong. Black is already a queen down and it
>looks hopeless. I find Rxg4 for the exciting score of -1209.
>
>Recommend: Find what the right position is.


I get this instantly, by 5 plies this is +1.57...  and never gets
worse... only better...  I'm using the suite from onenet.net...

6k1/p4p1p/3pqp2/2p1r3/2Pnr1N1/P6P/1P1Q1PP1/3R1RK1 b

that's the FEN for the position I ran...

>
>
>No. 434 (Ncxd6):
>
>This is fairly difficult. Nbxd6 is a transposition.
>
>Recommend: Add Nbxd6.

didn't get this one in 20 secs... liked Nd4, +.5

>
>
>No. 440 (Rf3):
>
>It looks wrong: Rf3 Bd1 and black has egg on his face.
>
>Recommend: Drop it.

I get Ne2 +1.9 from 3 plies thru 8...

>
>
>No. 462 (Nxg6+):
>
>Wrong position again. I get Qxh7 mate. Mate-in-one problems are rather
>easy, for me at least.


I get Ng6 at 5 plies, .37 seconds, eval=4.85.

here is the fen for this one:

4r2k/p2Q3p/2p1r1p1/4NpR1/3P4/2P1PP1b/P4q1P/6RK w




>
>Recommend: Find what the right position is.
>
>
>No. 464 (e5):
>
>I cannot find the justification for e5. If the idea is e5 dxe5 Ne6 then
>counting material actually black gains by it.
>
>Recommend: Investigate.

crafty likes f5 from ply=5 on...
eval=.3

>
>
>No. 467 (Rf6):
>
>I don't see a winning line after Rf6 Qf8 or Ng5. Perhaps it's the best
>move, but the assignment is "white wins" and I don't see it.
>
>Recommend: Investigate.
>

crafty chooses Rf6 from ply=5 on, but eval is -1.17...
seems odd.

>
>No. 470 (Nc3+):
>
>I don't think this works: 1...Nc3+ 2.Nxc3 bxc3 3.b3 Ra8 4.Bd4 and if the
>c-pawn falls, what is black's threat ? If now 4...Bc5 5.Qg3.
>
>Recommend: Investigate.
>

don't get this one in 20 secs... best for me is Qa6, -.02


>
>No. 475 (Rh5):
>
>Probably correct, but I'm not sure. I followed 1.Rh5 Ne2+ 2.Kh1 Ng3+
>3.hxg3 Qxf1+ 4.Kh2 now I see that 4...f6 loses but perhaps 4...h6 5.Bxh6
>g6 holds. If it's correct, it should be extremely difficult.
>
>Recommend: Investigate.

I get the move very quickly, but the eval is <0 (-.16 at 4, not much
better
for a while).

>
>
>No. 482 (Bxb5+):
>
>I get h4. Different plan, similar result (+115).
>
>Recommend: Add h4.
>

I get h4, but it seems unconvincing to me (eval < 1.0...  I get h4
from the first ply I report statistics for, which was depth=5, .3
seconds.
seems too easy for my tastes, and can be solved positionally as well,
yet
this is supposedly a tactical position...


>
>No. 488 (Bh3):
>
>I think it's wrong: Bh3 Ne1 and black is worse than ever.
>
>Recommend: Drop it.
>

I don't get this one either...



>
>No. 489 (Ne4):
>
>It's wrong: 1...Ne4 2.Nxe4 Rg6 3.Rf1! and if 3...Qe8 4.Rf8+! teaches
>black a lesson.
>
>Recommend: Drop it.
>

I don't get this one and have not studied it at any length either..


>
>No. 497 (f5):
>
>After f5 exd4 I can't find anything to justify a piece (fxg6 hxg6 Bxg6
>Nf8).
>
>Recommend: Investigate.


don't get it either... Crafty likes Be3, score near zero.

>
>
>No. 500 (f3):
>
>Looks wrong: 1...f3 2.Nxf3 Qg3 3.Be3 and where is the continuation ?
>
>Recommend: Drop it.
>

don't get this one either..

>
>Amir



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