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Subject: Re: Ok, Ok can we all agree that comps. are as strong if not better than FM.

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 23:18:57 01/17/01

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On January 18, 2001 at 01:52:31, ERIQ wrote:

>wow, I think we have gone to a whole other level now. But I get the point :)
>
>my last words on this topic is that it does amaze me how some don't think that
>a comp. is on the same level as the "average" IM or GM this really does seem
>odd, but not totally surprising though as alot of players think that their
>hero is on a level all his own and I think just hate the thought of a comp.
>being there too.

You might find it surprising (for instance) to discover what many of us are even
arguing about.  The point of contention has nothing to do with whether or not
people think chess programs play on the GM level.  It has to do with whether or
not it has been proven.

I think that they probably are at GM level.  I don't think it has been proven.

I also don't believe in the composite computer player that has been manufactured
out of a collection of machines and programs, but I could certainly be wrong
about that.  (IOW -- there may *not* be any weaknesses exposed by the same
program playing on the same machine hundreds or thousands of times, but I think
that probably there will be *some* effect).

In any case, the object of contention is most assuredly *NOT* one of belief, but
(rather) one of proof.




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