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Subject: Re: Knowledge again, but what is it?

Author: Amir Ban

Date: 15:09:58 02/25/98

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On February 25, 1998 at 16:54:55, Jay Scott wrote:

>
>On February 25, 1998 at 05:09:41, Amir Ban wrote:
>
>>We all know what the BEST evaluation is. It's the one coming out of
>>perfect knowledge of the game. But what is good evaluation ? More
>>precisely, given two evaluation functions, how do you decide which is
>>better ?
>
>The question "which one is better?" is meaningless by itself. Better
>for what?
>

Better for Computer Chess. Since this is the name of the newsgroup, I
thought I don't need to say that.


>Label the set of all chess positions with the positions' game-
>theoretic values, win=1 loss=0.5 draw=0. One thing you might like
>your evaluation function to do is minimize, say, mean squared
>error. You might like a good statistical fit to the truth, in
>other words.
>
>But it's easy to construct an evaluation which has an excellent
>statistical fit yet plays bad chess. For example, imagine an
>evaluator which is perfect except that it thinks that white is
>winning after 1. g4 e5 2. f4. The mean squared error is
>negligible, since only a few positions are wrong, but a program
>that relies on it is going to lose a lot of Fool's Mates.
>
>A program could also play perfectly with an evaluation which
>had a poor statistical fit. All that's necessary is for one
>of the optimal moves to be evaluated highest in any position
>that the program can reach with optimal play up to that point.
>

Right. I'm not so much interested in ideas that are dismissed in the
next sentence. I am looking for a formulation which at least someone
considers to be correct. The fact that it's not easy to find one is
surprising in itself. It shows that we don't have a good idea of what
what we are doing when we are busy "improving" our evaluation".

Amir






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