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Subject: Re: Misevaluation in endgame by Gambit Tiger 1.0

Author: Alex Patterson

Date: 16:56:58 02/11/01

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On February 11, 2001 at 16:26:35, Chuck wrote:

>On February 11, 2001 at 15:32:13, Alex Patterson wrote:
>
>>On February 11, 2001 at 12:58:02, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On February 11, 2001 at 12:45:07, Alex Patterson wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 11, 2001 at 12:24:21, Vincent Lejeune wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>in this position :
>>>>>
>>>>>[d]k7/p7/1p6/3p4/3K1B2/r7/8/4R3 w - - 0 1
>>>>>
>>>>>Gambit Tiger 1.0 gives +2.14 for white , I think it's a big overevaluation for
>>>>>white !
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>consequence : in this position
>>>>>
>>>>>[d]k7/p7/1p6/3p4/3K1p2/PP3r2/7B/4R3 b - - 0 1
>>>>>
>>>>>Tiger 1.0 wants to play Rf2??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>So? Rf2! is the best move, and that is backed up by crafty, TCB, and HIARCS.
>>>>Anyway I dont see the problem with Rf2!.
>>>
>>>Rf2 is not the best move of Crafty18.1
>>>It prefers Rxb3 with evaluation of 0.00 at depth 15
>>>
>>>After Rf2 Crafty can see a clear advantage for white (1.54 pawns at depth 13 and
>>>1.68 at depth 14)
>>>The problem is that tiger does not know that rook and a bishop with no pawns
>>>usually cannot win.
>>>
>>>It is a known problem of tiger and it is not news.
>>
>>
>>I was using crafty 15.14 for that analysis.
>>
>>                   -Alex
>>>
>>>Uri
>
>And I wonder what version of Hiarcs you are using, because my copy of Hiarcs
>7.32 (using all 5-pice-and-less tablebases) selects Rxb3 from a depth of 1
>(+0.88 score) all the way through 14 (+0.68 score).
>
>It doesn't see black winning, but the score is heading in that direction and he
>does see the first move. It didn't report any tablebase hits until a depth of
>10, so they didn't help at depth 1. Fritz 6 generally agrees with this, not
>getting a tablebase hit until depth=11.




I was using a version of HIARCS that I hacked into and tweaked so it isnt up to
its full streangth.

-Alex




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