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Subject: Re: Misevaluation in endgame by Gambit Tiger 1.0

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 21:22:51 02/12/01

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On February 12, 2001 at 22:56:56, Uri Blass wrote:

>On February 12, 2001 at 17:36:11, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On February 12, 2001 at 16:59:47, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On February 12, 2001 at 16:48:10, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>And I remember that Chess Tiger (was it version 11.2?) has won a KRB vs KR
>>>>endgame against Zugzwang in Paderborn 2 or 3 years ago.
>>>>
>>>>The programs were not using tablebases, and as far as I remember Zugzwang was
>>>>using a bunch of processors. But it lost.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Christophe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Well... Actually it was maybe P.Conners, and not Zugzwang. Maybe Thorsten
>>>remembers better than me. Anyway the opponent was using a LOT of processors.
>>>
>>>
>>>    Christophe
>>
>>
>>I'd be willing to play you KRB vs KR with my program having the rook and
>>running on a 486.  :)
>
>It is easy to draw when you have tablebases.
>The point is that part of the opponents(humans and part of the programs of
>today) do not have tablebases and there is a practical chance to win against
>them with the bishop.
>
>Uri


My point was this:  If a program is going to compete with Crafty, Ferret,
Hiarcs, Fritz, and other programs that probe the TBs in the search, then it
is going to have _grave_ difficulties if it makes the silly assumption that
KRPP vs KRB is winning for the KRB side.  That side will _never_ win.  And it
will have to fight like the devil to even draw, all the while thinking it
is winning.  Assuming less than perfect play by the opponent is _not_ the way
to make a program stronger.  Closing each and every hole that is exposed is
better.  It is _not_ hard to solve this problem in the right way, rather than
hoping for an opponent to blunder.



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