Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 15:44:26 03/05/01
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On March 05, 2001 at 17:34:36, Andreas Schwartmann wrote: >What engines? The ones you started with or the ones you ended up with? which genius ? Which shredder? which xyz ? the one they had when championship began or when it ended ? >This is a sporting event! And I always said that whoever is winning Paderborn, >WCCC or ICCA tournaments is definetely NOT the strongest playing engine. there is no definetely strongest playing engine. world works different andreas. you have no instruments to measure anything 100% exact. in your mind maybe. theoretically. >It is certainly not a measure of an engine's playing strength such as a tourney >with non-updated engines would be. As I said: It's a sporting event, but does >not say much about who's best in computer chess. If you want to have a >scientific research on which engine's the best, you will take the SSDF rating >list. i would not say so. science is something else. >So Shredder wins all the entertainment tourneys, but Deep Fritz is the >best. That's what I always said. ;-)) right. thats what you always say in the computerschach and spiele forum, chessbases home forum. and ? i think shredder is stronger than fritz. >(Yes, I know that S5 is a strong program, please mind the smiley!) >Nope, definetely not. It all comes down to what you want to achieve with a >tourney like this: These big tourneys are merely entertaining sporting events. >But it's always the same human. Kasparav is always Kasparov. Fritz 1 is not >Fritz 6b. See the difference? fritz is fritz. kasparov 35.657 years old is different from kasparov 35.658 years old. shredder5 1 year old is same shredder5 2 year old is same shredder 5 3 year old. but : shredder 5.1 is new, shredder 5.2 is even newer, and shredder 5.3 is latest. same is with kasparov. kasparov version 35.658 is latest version ! >As I said: It's always the same human player. Sure ... humans learn. That's what >engines do to, if they come with a proper (book) learning feature. If not, well >there are even humans who'll never learn and always make the same mistakes. >Sure, he has learnt something. That's what engines might do too. But he is still >Kasparov, and not Karpov. But Fritz 1 might compare to Fritz 7 like Andreas >Schwartmann does to Helmut Pfleger. Or Thorsten Czub does to Harald Faber. Fritz >1 is not Fritz 7, Andreas Schwartmann is not Helmut Pfleger, but Kasparov is and >will always be Kasparov. The older, the wiser. But still Kasparov. fritz is fritz. junior is junior. karpov is karpov. but the develop over time. >Hope? For you? no. for your efforts.
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