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Subject: Re: Updating engines during tournaments? (Odyssee Tournament)

Author: Thorsten Czub

Date: 15:44:26 03/05/01

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On March 05, 2001 at 17:34:36, Andreas Schwartmann wrote:
>What engines? The ones you started with or the ones you ended up with?

which genius ? Which shredder? which xyz ? the one they had when championship
began or when it ended ?

>This is a sporting event! And I always said that whoever is winning Paderborn,
>WCCC or ICCA tournaments is definetely NOT the strongest playing engine.

there is no definetely strongest playing engine. world works different andreas.
you have no instruments to measure anything 100% exact. in your mind maybe.
theoretically.

>It is certainly not a measure of an engine's playing strength such as a tourney
>with non-updated engines would be. As I said: It's a sporting event, but does
>not say much about who's best in computer chess. If you want to have a
>scientific research on which engine's the best, you will take the SSDF rating
>list.

i would not say so. science is something else.

>So Shredder wins all the entertainment tourneys, but Deep Fritz is the
>best. That's what I always said. ;-))

right. thats what you always say in the computerschach and spiele forum,
chessbases home forum. and ? i think shredder is stronger than fritz.


>(Yes, I know that S5 is a strong program, please mind the smiley!)



>Nope, definetely not. It all comes down to what you want to achieve with a
>tourney like this: These big tourneys are merely entertaining sporting events.

>But it's always the same human. Kasparav is always Kasparov. Fritz 1 is not
>Fritz 6b. See the difference?

fritz is fritz.

kasparov 35.657 years old is different from kasparov 35.658 years old.
shredder5 1 year old is same shredder5 2 year old is same shredder 5 3 year old.

but : shredder 5.1 is new, shredder 5.2 is even newer, and shredder 5.3 is
latest. same is with kasparov. kasparov version 35.658 is latest version !

>As I said: It's always the same human player. Sure ... humans learn. That's what
>engines do to, if they come with a proper (book) learning feature. If not, well
>there are even humans who'll never learn and always make the same mistakes.

>Sure, he has learnt something. That's what engines might do too. But he is still
>Kasparov, and not Karpov. But Fritz 1 might compare to Fritz 7 like Andreas
>Schwartmann does to Helmut Pfleger. Or Thorsten Czub does to Harald Faber. Fritz
>1 is not Fritz 7, Andreas Schwartmann is not Helmut Pfleger, but Kasparov is and
>will always be Kasparov. The older, the wiser. But still Kasparov.

fritz is fritz.
junior is junior.
karpov is karpov. but the develop over time.
>Hope? For you?


no. for your efforts.



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