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Subject: Re: Chess strength of these programs?

Author: Dirk Frickenschmidt

Date: 13:28:24 03/16/98

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On March 15, 1998 at 18:54:17, Thorsten Czub wrote:

>>Hi Thorsten,
>>
>>I make it short:
>
>Yes , very short , ugh ! :-))))))

Sorry, that was my intention in the first sentences :-)


I had said:
>>b) I had good results on two P75-machines run with double tournament
>>time (to get P133 tournament games).
>>After these games and tests I said: well, I think a Top5 program.
>
>You were always a very good tester.
>It seems I am completely unexperiences.
>You are still my idol Dirk.

So much irony for one halfway correct guess? ;-)


>>c) I now even have even better results with engine games on my new
>>P200MMx processor with meanwhile(!) 64 Meg.
>
>Hm. And THIS is what makes me astonished. You use 44 MB Hash and you
>have copied the fr5book.ctg on the HD like I have ? Do you play manually
>or ChessBase autoplayer. Which time control ?!

No, I have no pair of 200MMX.
On this machine I only play engine-games and test positions.

[some snipped]

>As far as I have not seen this magic autoplayer of chessBase, as far as
>I have not seen which lines were chosen and which not and why not, I do
>not accept ANY single game this ChessBase autoplayer has ever played.
>I repeat: I cannot accept ONE single game of an autoplayer that comes
>with a book I don't know and I cannot proof it is the commercial book.
>Sorry.

I see, it's the autoplayer that raises your suspicion. But Amir is right
IMO. What should the autoplayer do in an uncorrect way? I don't quite
see what it *could* even be.
>
>
>>I see no reason for such a suspicion at the moment.
>
>I do see a reason.
>
>
>>So all in all I still think that *you* are the one with a prejudice in
>>*this* case and that *not* the impression of others - based on the
>>*huge* majority of played test games - is mislead.
>
>I am in good company. Stefan Meyer Kahlen and Richard Lang and Chrilly
>Donninger and Kaare Danielsen seem to have "prejudices" too... :-)

Up to now i have only seen Ossi Weiner's open letter which seems to be
quite stupid and full of hypocracy to me.

What kind of suspicions have the others expressed?
>
[some personal remarks from both of us snipped]
>
>I have not said YOU cheat. But I say you maybe use special ChessBase
>autoplayer or whatever engine.

see above, Fritz is also very strong in engine-engine games and the
fastest and most reliable finder of the programs I use when e.g.
checking live games etc.

[some snipped]

>>Be shure that I will admit it *if*
>>we find a big hair in the soup.
>
>I am in this case a little like Andersch Klosterschueler in Sansibar
>oder der letzte Grund. Sceptical.
Yes sometimes. And sometimes very enthousiastic. That's ok with me.


>>So let's take it how it comes and talk
>>again after falsifying or verifying all the present results in a calm
>>way...
>
>>Yours Dirk
>
>Sleep well. I don't wanna lose another friend this week.
>I could not bear 2 in a week-end.

Come on Thorsten, we know each other well enough and long enough.
Do I look like giving up a friend just for a little opinion fight like
this? ;-)

(Biting on my tongue not to say that I am not some other well known
person whose friendship obviously gets lost a bit easier and a bit more
often)

All the best to you...


Yours Dirk




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