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Subject: Re: Updating engines during tournaments? (Odyssee Tournament)

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 23:21:01 03/07/01

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On March 07, 2001 at 21:29:33, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On March 07, 2001 at 16:52:41, Chessfun wrote:
>
>>On March 07, 2001 at 00:19:31, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On March 06, 2001 at 22:45:11, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>
>>>>The fact that Thorsten's are closer to the WMCCC neither makes it better nor the
>>>>results more trustworthy. I would believe the SSDF or Enrique's results
>>>>more than either the WMCCC or Thorsten's tourney run as it is. The number of
>>>>games played and the fact that those programs are available to all users being
>>>>the main reasons.
>>>>
>>>>In Thorsten's current tourney for example there are programs running whose
>>>>settings are unknown such as Shredder 4 chessbits and Genius 6.5 Czub style.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>this is no different from the dozens of other basement tournaments that
>>>get reported here.  500 different chessmaster personalities.  tournaments
>>>with oddball books.  Tournaments with the nunn starting positions.  All
>>>are interesting.  each is no more or less valuable than the others...
>>
>>
>>There are slight differences. Typically posters of those CM basement
>>tourneys do post the settings of the different engines. I have never seen
>>a tournament from any Nunn starting positions, matches yes, but tourneys would
>>be interesting.
>>
>>Again as I have said it is his tourney to run as he sees fit even the current
>>change of Fritz 6 to Deep Fritz two totally different programs. Now what happens
>>at the end a little note...1. Deep Fritz was Fritz 6b through 3 rounds.
>>etc etc.
>>
>>
>>>>Further a program in any of it's modified forms can win the WMCCC 10 years in a
>>>>row and I would still trust the SSDF results as being more accurate. They play
>>>>more games and use the exact software available to anyone.
>>>>
>>>>This question now though about Enrique's the WMCCC and Thorsten's tournaments
>>>>ignores your earlier statement which is what I originally responded to about the
>>>>SSDF. That their results are more representative of the user product plus
>>>>my previous statement that there never was any proof that anything irregular
>>>>happened.
>>>>
>>>>Sarah.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>It is hard to prove things when _all_ games are not publicly available.  I
>>>personally don't care myself, as it doesn't really matter to me since I don't
>>>sell a chess product and don't depend on their rating list for advertising
>>>my chess engine to increase sales.
>>>
>>>In any case, I see no reason to grumble about adding new versions as they
>>>become available.  Since it is no different than every other computer chess
>>>event that has been held where programmers attend.
>>
>>
>>This statement is fine, as I said originally I joined this thread after you
>>statement about the SSDF which it nows appears you are removing.
>
>Not at all.  So far as I recall, the SSDF _did_ test a version of fritz that
>you could _not_ buy.  I also believe they have accepted other bugfixes from time
>to time, but I'm not the one to answer for them.  Perhaps they can respond since
>several of the testers are regular posters here?

Yes.

You can send patches to SSDF and they will proceed playing with the
patched version. I once did with Rebel 7.0 which had a serious bug
in the "3 fold repetition" code.

Good service.

Ed


>
>>
>>>As far as reliable testing goes, I would take _my_ testing over the SSDF or
>>>anybody else.  After all, for my program, I don't have hundreds of games.  I
>>>have hundreds of thousands.  If volume means anything...
>>
>>If I was you I would do the same thing :-)
>>
>>Sarah.



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