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Subject: Re: Updating engines during tournaments? (Odyssee Tournament)

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 05:35:12 03/08/01

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On March 08, 2001 at 08:28:53, Bertil Eklund wrote:

>On March 07, 2001 at 21:29:33, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On March 07, 2001 at 16:52:41, Chessfun wrote:
>>
>>>On March 07, 2001 at 00:19:31, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 06, 2001 at 22:45:11, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>The fact that Thorsten's are closer to the WMCCC neither makes it better nor the
>>>>>results more trustworthy. I would believe the SSDF or Enrique's results
>>>>>more than either the WMCCC or Thorsten's tourney run as it is. The number of
>>>>>games played and the fact that those programs are available to all users being
>>>>>the main reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>>In Thorsten's current tourney for example there are programs running whose
>>>>>settings are unknown such as Shredder 4 chessbits and Genius 6.5 Czub style.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>this is no different from the dozens of other basement tournaments that
>>>>get reported here.  500 different chessmaster personalities.  tournaments
>>>>with oddball books.  Tournaments with the nunn starting positions.  All
>>>>are interesting.  each is no more or less valuable than the others...
>>>
>>>
>>>There are slight differences. Typically posters of those CM basement
>>>tourneys do post the settings of the different engines. I have never seen
>>>a tournament from any Nunn starting positions, matches yes, but tourneys would
>>>be interesting.
>>>
>>>Again as I have said it is his tourney to run as he sees fit even the current
>>>change of Fritz 6 to Deep Fritz two totally different programs. Now what happens
>>>at the end a little note...1. Deep Fritz was Fritz 6b through 3 rounds.
>>>etc etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Further a program in any of it's modified forms can win the WMCCC 10 years in a
>>>>>row and I would still trust the SSDF results as being more accurate. They play
>>>>>more games and use the exact software available to anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>>This question now though about Enrique's the WMCCC and Thorsten's tournaments
>>>>>ignores your earlier statement which is what I originally responded to about the
>>>>>SSDF. That their results are more representative of the user product plus
>>>>>my previous statement that there never was any proof that anything irregular
>>>>>happened.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It is hard to prove things when _all_ games are not publicly available.  I
>>>>personally don't care myself, as it doesn't really matter to me since I don't
>>>>sell a chess product and don't depend on their rating list for advertising
>>>>my chess engine to increase sales.
>>>>
>>>>In any case, I see no reason to grumble about adding new versions as they
>>>>become available.  Since it is no different than every other computer chess
>>>>event that has been held where programmers attend.
>>>
>>>
>>>This statement is fine, as I said originally I joined this thread after you
>>>statement about the SSDF which it nows appears you are removing.
>>
>>Not at all.  So far as I recall, the SSDF _did_ test a version of fritz that
>>you could _not_ buy.  I also believe they have accepted other bugfixes from time
>>to time, but I'm not the one to answer for them.  Perhaps they can respond since
>>several of the testers are regular posters here?
>
>Hi!
>
>It was the same version of Fritz5/16 but with a working autoplayer.
>There was also some other well-known persons that received the auto232 version
>of F5. It is about the same as that some people received Rebel10 with autoplayer
>but SSDF didn't.
>We accept bug-fixes if they are publically available in example Hiarcs7 to 7.01
>or the fix for the Tiger12-book.
>
>Bertil SSDF

If I remember correctly there was at least one case when Fritz5(with the
autoplayer) amd Fritz5(without the autoplayer) did not play the same move.
I am not sure if it was about Fritz5 but I am sure it was about the autoplayer.

I think that Enrique can give more details.

Uri




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